Reloading for the Kel-tec sub 2000

[MNBud]

I'm wondering if I'm going to be able to use Rainier or Berry plated bullets in one of these guns. Am I going to run into any issues of too high of muzzle velocity for this plating. I have some 115 GR Rainier bullets and have reloaded them using Hodgdon Titegroup powder.
Pinnacle are you out here somewhere?

[cobb]

I guess I don't understand what the concern would be? You are still shooting the plated bullets in a 9mm with a 9mm powder load, you are not going to gain that much velocity out of a longer barrel.

Some may differ, but I wouldn't worry about a velocity issue with plated bullets in a 9mm load at all. Now if you were going to load those 9mm plated bullets in a rifle case over a rifle powder load designed for that rifle case, that may be an issue.

[farmerj]

Wonders if people understand electroplating vs jacketed???

[cobb]

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Wonders if people understand electroplating vs jacketed???

I think they know the difference, that is why the question, but we are talking about a 9mm here.

So are you asking for a clarification?

[farmerj]

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Wonders if people understand electroplating vs jacketed???

I think they know the difference, that is why the question, but we are talking about a 9mm here.

So are you asking for a clarification?

I work with Cu plating daily.

How can you have something separate when they are chemically bonded? Jacketed, albeit a poor jacketing, would be understandable.

Some of your more premium rifle bullets start with a bonded base. AKA plated. The whole reason they used plating. They don't have the separation issues.

[cobb]

So your comment of MNBud's question?

[farmerj]

So your comment of MNBud's question?

My comment was of yours.

MN Bud would be fine to load either bullets for the Kel-Tec with what he is planning. Loading a 9mm bullet into a rifle case?....That's a .380 caliber weapon. Would be a .375 H&H mag or something similar.

[cobb]

So your comment of MNBud's question?

My comment was of yours.

Well that wasn't much of a recommendation. But since your background, I thought maybe you could give a much better insight than I could. I would think that if you treated those plated bullets the same as a gas checked lead cast bullet, there is probably not an issue. But as you kinda referenced, plated is not the same as jacketed and even difference in bullet jackets have velocity limitations within themselves.

[MNBud]

This is exactly my reason for posting,I don't know what the variables are between plating and jacketing.I can only assume that because the bullet is going to be in the barrel for a longer period of time and I could only assume build higher pressures and higher velocities I wanted to see if there would be any dangers with copper jacketing.I have read that the plated stuff will come apart at higher velocities.

[cobb]

I have read that the plated stuff will come apart at higher velocities.

True, but I don't think you will have that problem in a 9mm. Even a jacketed bullet can come apart at higher velocities, but because that Hornet bullet was not designed for Swift speeds.

When you read that the plated stuff will come apart at higher velocities, do you remember where you read it and was it pistol bullets fired in a pistol or maybe a pistol bullet fired out of a rifle case at rifle velocities?

I am going to make the assumption that you are going to load the 9mm ammo for your Kel Tec at standard loads and not try to get magnum performance out of it. If you plan to load it hot, there may be more of a concern of the strength of the Kel Tec than the plating of the bullet.

Bottom line, don't worry about it with the 9mm and standard loads. If you want to find out what the velocity difference is, there are a few of us that have chronographs and could set it up to fire both your handgun and assault rifle(just had to get that in ) over to compare the velocity difference in barrel lengths.

[westberg]

This is exactly my reason for posting,I don't know what the variables are between plating and jacketing.I can only assume that because the bullet is going to be in the barrel for a longer period of time and I could only assume build higher pressures and higher velocities I wanted to see if there would be any dangers with copper jacketing.I have read that the plated stuff will come apart at higher velocities.

I will add my experience with AmeriC factory loaded 45ACP plated 230gr, my dad and I were shooting side by side, he 4" and me 5" Kimbers at paper targets at 7yds. The bullets from my gun were separating and making multiple holes and plating pieces sticking to the paper. My dad was not having the same problem even thou we were pulling bullets from the same box. We stopped shooting it and returned the balance of the ammo. I know your discussing 9mm but if the bond between the lead and plating is bad it shouldn't matter caliber, I would guess quality bullets wouldn't do this.
As to the whys, what fors and who done its I will leave that to Cobb and farmerj.

Ron

[cobb]

So westberg, basically it was crap ammo and probably had little to do with velocity, even a 5" 45 acp isn't very high velocity, as you basically point out.

Just curious, that wasn't my Kimber 1911 was it?

[westberg]

Yes to the crap ammo and no to your Kimber, this happened last summer. At first I thought my dad had became a very bad shot and was hitting my target. I believe this manufacture had a history with bullet problems.

Ron

[JFettig]

I shot my 1150fps pistol loads from my 18" 9mm AR and they ran 1400fps. That is too fast I think for plated bullets from what I remember seeing.


Jon

[Pinnacle]

Rainers are not intended for that high a velocity. They will copper up your gun at the least and come apart at the most

Stick to jacketed bullets in a carbine 9mm - or just plain lead.