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Hey S. Sam!

Postby Ironbear on Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:10 am

Hey Sam! Found some power and primers! When do we start? ;)

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I am pretty sure these are all older than I am!
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby Seismic Sam on Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:10 pm

I DID have one of those "pop top" cans of Bullseye powder when I started reloading in about 1972, but it was new, and I used up the powder, and never allowed the cans to sit and get so rusty the tops split open. Those pop tops were actually pretty cool the way they worked. Never had any primers THAT old, but a few years ago I used up some rifle primers that had a 99 cent price sticker from Tecto Sporting Goods, which was up on Central Ave. N just beyound Highway US 10 in Blaine.

And in my n00b foolishness of nearly 40 years ago, I did find a smokin' hot load for 9mm ammo in my brand new Speer #9 manual (1974) that used 630 powder and MAGNUM small pistol primers, which I would learn are a very great rarity in reloading, and not good for anything else except possibly 357 Mag loads, which was a caliber I have never reloaded. So the powder sat there until about two years ago, and I sprinkled it over a bare patch on my lawn to try and get the grass to grow. I used up those silly magnum small pistol primers to check how well I was swaging the crimp on 5.56 brass with my Dillon primer swager, and if the primer seated properly, I drove it back out and threw it away.
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby Ironbear on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:08 pm

Seismic Sam wrote:I DID have one of those "pop top" cans of Bullseye powder when I started reloading in about 1972, but it was new, and I used up the powder, and never allowed the cans to sit and get so rusty the tops split open. Those pop tops were actually pretty cool the way they worked. Never had any primers THAT old, but a few years ago I used up some rifle primers that had a 99 cent price sticker from Tecto Sporting Goods, which was up on Central Ave. N just beyound Highway US 10 in Blaine.

Well I found the Bullseye powder and primers in among my dad's stuff. Based on my knowledge of his reloading activity, this should date to the late 50's or early 60's. The cans aren't really rusted but are dirty, and appear to still be sealed.

For more reloading fun... my sister works at a scrap yard. I visited her at work today and the boss's son gave me a tour....

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It is sorted brass, only in the sense that it has had the steel and aluminium cases removed!
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby FJ540 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 7:20 pm

You should see if you can buy it. :D
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby shooter115 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:20 pm

Looks like all 5.56 and .308 brass from what I can tell........ GROUP BUY!!!!
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby shooter115 on Wed Dec 26, 2012 9:27 pm

Seismic Sam wrote:I DID have one of those "pop top" cans of Bullseye powder when I started reloading in about 1972, but it was new, and I used up the powder, and never allowed the cans to sit and get so rusty the tops split open. Those pop tops were actually pretty cool the way they worked. Never had any primers THAT old, but a few years ago I used up some rifle primers that had a 99 cent price sticker from Tecto Sporting Goods, which was up on Central Ave. N just beyound Highway US 10 in Blaine.

And in my n00b foolishness of nearly 40 years ago, I did find a smokin' hot load for 9mm ammo in my brand new Speer #9 manual (1974) that used 630 powder and MAGNUM small pistol primers, which I would learn are a very great rarity in reloading, and not good for anything else except possibly 357 Mag loads, which was a caliber I have never reloaded. So the powder sat there until about two years ago, and I sprinkled it over a bare patch on my lawn to try and get the grass to grow. I used up those silly magnum small pistol primers to check how well I was swaging the crimp on 5.56 brass with my Dillon primer swager, and if the primer seated properly, I drove it back out and threw it away.

I actually use Magnum small pistol primers today in my powder puff .40 loads. With the low case fill density of 3.0 gr of clays I get a lower SD than when using std primers with no pressure signs. Avg velocity went up a whopping 6FPS. As a bonus you can almost always find them and in a pinch you can use them as rifle primers. Just sayin.
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby engnerdan on Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:17 am

shooter115 wrote:I actually use Magnum small pistol primers today in my powder puff .40 loads. With the low case fill density of 3.0 gr of clays I get a lower SD than when using std primers with no pressure signs. Avg velocity went up a whopping 6FPS. As a bonus you can almost always find them and in a pinch you can use them as rifle primers. Just sayin.



Something you need to watch out for when using the Mag Small Pistol primers is pitting of the breech face. The mag spp's are typically a harder cup, and without the pressure of a mag load they do not expand and seal to the sides of the primer pocket as fast as they should. So some hot gasses come around and will start to pit the breech face of the gun. I have seen several pictures of it, even GLOCK slides with pitting. The only common factor was the people where using mag spp's. I think there are several pictures over on the Brian Enos forum.
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby shooter115 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:32 am

engnerdan wrote:
shooter115 wrote:I actually use Magnum small pistol primers today in my powder puff .40 loads. With the low case fill density of 3.0 gr of clays I get a lower SD than when using std primers with no pressure signs. Avg velocity went up a whopping 6FPS. As a bonus you can almost always find them and in a pinch you can use them as rifle primers. Just sayin.



Something you need to watch out for when using the Mag Small Pistol primers is pitting of the breech face. The mag spp's are typically a harder cup, and without the pressure of a mag load they do not expand and seal to the sides of the primer pocket as fast as they should. So some hot gasses come around and will start to pit the breech face of the gun. I have seen several pictures of it, even GLOCK slides with pitting. The only common factor was the people where using mag spp's. I think there are several pictures over on the Brian Enos forum.


I shot about 4K rounds through my XDm with them this year and there's no pitting, but I do use the Feds which are a little softer than soe other brands. I did do some digging on Enos and while there are dozens of threads about using them without any issues, I can't find anything on pitting the breach face. Not saying they aren't there or it hasn't happened, I just can't find it. The only conclusion I can come up with is Glock needs to stop using recycled, melted down Volkswagons to make their slides :twisted:
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby engnerdan on Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:51 am

shooter115 wrote:I shot about 4K rounds through my XDm with them this year and there's no pitting, but I do use the Feds which are a little softer than soe other brands. I did do some digging on Enos and while there are dozens of threads about using them without any issues, I can't find anything on pitting the breach face. Not saying they aren't there or it hasn't happened, I just can't find it. The only conclusion I can come up with is Glock needs to stop using recycled, melted down Volkswagons to make their slides :twisted:


The softer Federal Primers may be helping you, but it is a very common problem with hard primers.

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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby shooter115 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:10 pm

Thanks for the links Dan. My search-fu was weak (or more so lazy). Seams those that did have trouble were mostly with low pressure 9mm loads and even then it seamed sporatic. I haven't seen this at all with my .40 loads.
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby Ironbear on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:28 pm

shooter115 wrote:Looks like all 5.56 and .308 brass from what I can tell........ GROUP BUY!!!!

Unfortunately, it wasn't. I scooped a handful to look at. What I had was .30-06, 9mm, .45 ACP, .357 Sig, .38 special, and some other rifle cases that I didn't recognize by just looking at it. The scrap guy said that there was a bunch of .223 there too, but I didn't end up with any in my handful. Looked like an real assortment. I didn't want to look too close.... :D

As for buying it... He's a scrap dealer... I'm sure some arrangement could be made. Would ship from Tennessee. :lol:
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby LarryFlew on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:12 pm

If some of you guys want to go in on it I don't mind doing some sorting etc. We can keep what we want and sell what we don't. Has to come out at least as high as scrap price if there is anything at all to keep. Course depends on truck shipping but have a Tenn area shipper I can also check with.

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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby FJ540 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:45 pm

I had a better idea, and it got shot down. :(

How much would we be looking at for freight?

As long as we could recoup our expenses selling off sorted brass, I'm down for helping process it.
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby Rodentman on Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:56 am

I can help decapping and cleaning in the SS tumbler...
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Re: Hey S. Sam!

Postby Seismic Sam on Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:07 am

Rodentman wrote:I can help decapping and cleaning in the SS tumbler...


Hey there, ya tatted up piece of Rodent meat!! Where the **** ya been, and are you coming to the ****ing Open Carry Breakfast at the ****ing Gopher Bar on the 19th?? What ya been doing with yourself??
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