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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby Jack's My dog on Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:09 pm

Duff-Man wrote:Another thing is the powder measure itself. The powder metering assembly that came with my LnL wasn't very consistent with small charges (i.e. handgun loads) the Lock-N-Load Powder Measure Handgun Rotor and Metering Assembly helped for consistency in the charges.


The powder measure for the Hornady deluxe single stage kit is not so confidence inspiring either. One of my reasons for measuring all charges. It seems like it will settle in for a handful of charges, and then the charges start to dwindle. I have noticed it seems to be more consistent with certain powders. If I get t the point were I start to approach max loads,I will be using the trickler....and a better scale.
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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby rugersol on Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:11 am

Jack's My dog wrote:
Duff-Man wrote:Another thing is the powder measure itself. The powder metering assembly that came with my LnL wasn't very consistent with small charges (i.e. handgun loads) the Lock-N-Load Powder Measure Handgun Rotor and Metering Assembly helped for consistency in the charges.

rugersol wrote: that's why they sell it!


The powder measure for the Hornady deluxe single stage kit is not so confidence inspiring either. One of my reasons for measuring all charges. It seems like it will settle in for a handful of charges, and then the charges start to dwindle. I have noticed it seems to be more consistent with certain powders. If I get t the point were I start to approach max loads,I will be using the trickler....and a better scale.

if yer using an electronic "reloading" scale, it can make it seem like yer measure is flakey ... also, some powders simply don't meter very well ... and ya otherwise need to make sure yer adjustment screw is tight!
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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby Seismic Sam on Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:47 am

Well, the fact of the matter is that most any powder scale has some variance, and while the Lee Perfect Powder measure has a micrometer system which changes the powder chamber volume in increments of .01 cc, which is plenty good enough, the fact of the matter is that the powder that falls into that chamber and stacks a little bit different every time, and the volume when thrown depends on how many seconds the measure is allowed to sit with the powder draining down into the micrometer tube, so there's a substantial difference between 1 second to fill the tube and letting it sit for 5 or 10 seconds. To say it another way, you want to go from handle up (charge tube filling) to handle down (dump) and back to handle up. (fill) By the time you get that powder weighed or into the case and have grabbed another case, the powder has had a few seconds to settle. If you go handle down to up and then back down to dump it into the case, the time filling can be less than a second AND variable, depending on your individual throw, and that will most DEFINITELY affect the amount of powder thrown.

And second, powder is somewhat like a compressible liquid, so you get more powder in the tube when the hopper is full, and less when it's nearly empty. Some measures are worse than other in this respect. Bottom line, if you want accuracy or are loading max loads, you better be weighing EVERY charge that you throw anyway. Small ball powders like 231 pack pretty uniformly, flake powders like Bullseye less so, and then big granules like Retumbo even less that that, and the strength with which you rap the throw handle in the up or down position will also affect charge weight. Vibration makes powder settle and become more dense, just like concrete.
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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby Rodentman on Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:11 pm

Of no value whatsoever to this discussion is the fact that I successfully loaded 17g of MP300 under a 158g MTG JHP. Alliant called for 18.6g but I cut it back to 17g and it cycles fine in the Coonan and shows no signs of overpressure. Pretty strong load, but as I don't hunt I cannot comment on how it would do on deer.
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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby Jack's My dog on Sat Jun 15, 2013 9:42 pm

Seismic Sam wrote:Well, the fact of the matter is that most any powder scale has some variance, and while the Lee Perfect Powder measure has a micrometer system which changes the powder chamber volume in increments of .01 cc, which is plenty good enough, the fact of the matter is that the powder that falls into that chamber and stacks a little bit different every time, and the volume when thrown depends on how many seconds the measure is allowed to sit with the powder draining down into the micrometer tube, so there's a substantial difference between 1 second to fill the tube and letting it sit for 5 or 10 seconds. To say it another way, you want to go from handle up (charge tube filling) to handle down (dump) and back to handle up. (fill) By the time you get that powder weighed or into the case and have grabbed another case, the powder has had a few seconds to settle. If you go handle down to up and then back down to dump it into the case, the time filling can be less than a second AND variable, depending on your individual throw, and that will most DEFINITELY affect the amount of powder thrown.

And second, powder is somewhat like a compressible liquid, so you get more powder in the tube when the hopper is full, and less when it's nearly empty. Some measures are worse than other in this respect. Bottom line, if you want accuracy or are loading max loads, you better be weighing EVERY charge that you throw anyway. Small ball powders like 231 pack pretty uniformly, flake powders like Bullseye less so, and then big granules like Retumbo even less that that, and the strength with which you rap the throw handle in the up or down position will also affect charge weight. Vibration makes powder settle and become more dense, just like concrete.


I have been attempting to be consistent with my operation of the the powder measure, but I don't think mine has broken in yet. It is still a little stiff and sticky, which makes it difficult to be smooth. I have found using the baffle helps a bit, but not as much as I would like. In the future I think I would like to get a progressive press for bulk reloading target loads, but as it stands I don't think I would trust the powder measure I have with any sort of consistency.

I have noticed some differences in the way different powders drop. What I am beginning to realize is I need to start keeping a log of this type of information, as it will probably add to my efficiency and enjoyment of reloading.

As far as Rugersol's comment about keeping the measure tight. I have hand tightened the measure as much as possible, and it still seems to move. Is using the vice grip going to far?
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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby Seismic Sam on Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:16 am

Yes!! Using a vise grip on a powder measure is way off the map!! My Lee measure runs very hard with small grained powder like AA9 and 231. It has to have some slop to run smoothly or at all, and mine leaks a little powder with AA9, and I just live with it. You set it so the powder doesn't leak too much, and live with it. If it's too tight, a few grains may get in there and jam it up altogether, and having to force it too much can probably cause wear and struggling with the handle could affect powder settling.
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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby Rodentman on Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:23 am

« If it's too tight, a few grains may get in there and jam it up altogether, and having to force it too much can probably cause wear and struggling with the handle could affect powder settling.»

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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby rugersol on Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:30 am

Jack's My dog wrote:As far as Rugersol's comment about keeping the measure tight. I have hand tightened the measure as much as possible, and it still seems to move. Is using the vice grip going to far?

I was talking about the meter adjustment on a Hornady powder measure ...there's a jam nut ... it prevents the adjustment screw from walking out ... when it's tight ... probly best not to use a vise grip! :?
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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby Rem700 on Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:17 am

I have managed to tip over several deer thru the years with the Speer 158gr UCSP #4217 fired from both a 20" rifle and a 5 1/2" Ruger.
I would look for a bullet designed for hunting and not SD.
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Re: .357 Hand loads for Deer.

Postby Jack's My dog on Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:28 pm

I think I am following you guys on the set up of the powder measure, and will make some adjustments accordingly the next time I sit down to load.

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