Big trouble with the Precision Delta group buy

[Evad]

I highly doubt Jim has the physical assets to pay off much of this.

Dude, this is a forum of people who play in an expensive hobby and I am pretty sure we are talking about less than $3k. I'd hardly call that assets. I'm not saying it's easy, but this is likely nothing compared to what he has going with the tax thing. I am waiting to see how things go and trying to remain positive. There are a lot of ways Jim can make this better. All around it sucks at the moment.

I also do not believe in licking someone when they are down

100% of puppies surveyed disagree with you.

THAT is what I needed

[JohnGageMN]

I also do not believe in licking someone when they are down

When polled, 88% of my ex-girlfriends quite enjoyed it...

[redaudi]

I also do not believe in licking someone when they are down

When polled, 88% of my ex-girlfriends quite enjoyed it...

[george]

I don't have any skin in but I absolutely see Jim's problem. Being cut to very little work, the MN. IRS has decided
to audit me for the last three years. I'm a wreck!! My hart goes out to him, if it doesn't stop ticking .. .. .. ..

[Seismic Sam]

Well, something has been brought to my attention which I initially thought was no big deal, but after checking with the OGC Secretary is something that I cannot in good conscience let pass. And I'm not at all grateful that this was pointed out to me, and the person who told me this is going to wind up getting a thermonuclear snuggie at OGC when he least expects it! Apparently, Jim is showing up at OGC this weekend for orientation and plunking $190 cash down to pay for his membership. If that isn't enough of a slap in the face to all of us, once he's a member, he'll be spending money on a fair amount of gas to drive his big vehicle from Edina to OGC and back, and will be enjoying himself shooting using up primers, powder, and BULLETS which could have other wise been used to pay some of us off. If that isn't bad enough, I'm going to have to look at this guy merrily shooting away while he owes me $226, and obviously regards shooting at the facility where I am a Director MORE important than paying me or any of you back!! So all those posts about Jim trading and buying and going to gun stores while he's supposedly broke and can barely make ends meet are further bolstered by this indignity, and obviously he has no intention of tightening his belt to pay us back anytime soon, if ever. Just thought you all should know this, and I know some of you need your money back a lot more than I do.

Actions speak louder than words Jim, so don't you DARE utter the phrase "I will pay all of you back" unless you can provide a recent update of those people that you HAVE fully paid back. NOBODY here wants to hear any more promises from you.


Fifth running total:

Bucket 1: Two people who passed their orders off to other board members who are in Bucket 3.
Bucket 2: Two people who got their orders for a total of $729
Bucket 3: Twelve people who are out a total of $3,576.00.

[Evad]

Well, something has been brought to my attention which I initially thought was no big deal, but after checking with the OGC Secretary is something that I cannot in good conscience let pass. And I'm not at all grateful that this was pointed out to me, and the person who told me this is going to wind up getting a thermonuclear snuggie at OGC when he least expects it! Apparently, Jim is showing up at OGC this weekend for orientation and plunking $190 cash down to pay for his membership. If that isn't enough of a slap in the face to all of us, once he's a member, he'll be spending money on a fair amount of gas to drive his big vehicle from Edina to OGC and back, and will be enjoying himself shooting using up primers, powder, and BULLETS which could have other wise been used to pay some of us off. If that isn't bad enough, I'm going to have to look at this guy merrily shooting away while he owes me $226, and obviously regards shooting at the facility where I am a Director MORE important than paying me or any of you back!! So all those posts about Jim trading and buying and going to gun stores while he's supposedly broke and can barely make ends meet are further bolstered by this indignity, and obviously he has no intention of tightening his belt to pay us back anytime soon, if ever. Just thought you all should know this, and I know some of you need your money back a lot more than I do.

Is it possible that his name came up sometime in the middle of this and he isn't going to be able to join due to circumstances? OGC has a wait list for a while, no? Maybe he simply hasn't backed out yet or won't show up. I'd assume someone next in line would get his spot...not that big of a deal. Right?

[Seismic Sam]

He was cleared to be a member and will be at OGC today or tomorrow for orientation and paying his $190, from what I understand. I thought newbies paid at the beginning of the year like we did so it was water already under the bridge, but the OGC Secretary told me otherwise. Owing a Director money is kind of a shaky excuse to step in, and I need to keep my powder dry for when real s**t happens at the club.

[Evad]

Owing a Director money is kind of a shaky excuse to step in, and I need to keep my powder dry for when real s**t happens at the club.

I wouldn't think you should step in. Not really warranted with the position.

Just hoping the info is moldy.

[MNGunGuy]

Well, something has been brought to my attention which I initially thought was no big deal, but after checking with the OGC Secretary is something that I cannot in good conscience let pass. And I'm not at all grateful that this was pointed out to me, and the person who told me this is going to wind up getting a thermonuclear snuggie at OGC when he least expects it! Apparently, Jim is showing up at OGC this weekend for orientation and plunking $190 cash down to pay for his membership. If that isn't enough of a slap in the face to all of us, once he's a member, he'll be spending money on a fair amount of gas to drive his big vehicle from Edina to OGC and back, and will be enjoying himself shooting using up primers, powder, and BULLETS which could have other wise been used to pay some of us off. If that isn't bad enough, I'm going to have to look at this guy merrily shooting away while he owes me $226, and obviously regards shooting at the facility where I am a Director MORE important than paying me or any of you back!! So all those posts about Jim trading and buying and going to gun stores while he's supposedly broke and can barely make ends meet are further bolstered by this indignity, and obviously he has no intention of tightening his belt to pay us back anytime soon, if ever. Just thought you all should know this, and I know some of you need your money back a lot more than I do.

Actions speak louder than words Jim, so don't you DARE utter the phrase "I will pay all of you back" unless you can provide a recent update of those people that you HAVE fully paid back. NOBODY here wants to hear any more promises from you.


Fifth running total:

Bucket 1: Two people who passed their orders off to other board members who are in Bucket 3.
Bucket 2: Two people who got their orders for a total of $729
Bucket 3: Twelve people who are out a total of $3,576.00.

Well it may be an interesting day. A MNGT member he cheated out of 4000+ bullets will be attending orientation tomorrow as well.

[jshuberg]

I have no skin in this game, but if I were cheated out of money, I'd hope that someone with the ability to step in and prevent further injury would do so. If it was just you, that would be one thing, and preventing someone from gaining membership as a personal vendetta would be wrong. That isn't the case here however, at least as I understand it as an outsider.

If a person who owes a bunch of people money for a long period of time spends his money on personal pleasures rather than repaying his debts, you should call him what he is. A thief, and someone who has stolen from the community.

If I were a member of your club, I'd want to feel I could trust your other members not to take advantage of or steal from the community. If someone is discovered that demonstrates those traits, I'd expect his membership to be terminated. Just something to think about.

[LePetomane]

Any members of OGC should be livid that their club is being dragged into this pissing match. It's bad enough that this forum is being used to air dirty laundry.

[45Badger]

It's bad enough that this forum is being used to air dirty laundry.

He screwed members of this forum, using the forum as a vehicle.

T.P.F.K.A.M, aka Monschman (and whatever other screen name the thieving little vaginal wash container is now using) did same. It's not cool, it's not OK, and it's not OK to sweep it under the rug or pretend it did not happen. Why are you so insistent that this not be aired out? At the very least, it presents fair warning to forum members to avoid future deals with Jimdog. Most of those left with a condom hanging out their butt seem to be handling this with more grace and empathy than Jimdog's apparent behavior merits, and nobody seems to be making up stories.

Again, what's biting your butt so hard about this?

[brad3579]

I do not know anyone on this forum personally but all of seem like pretty decent folks. I don't have any involvement in this unfortunate situation.

I am curious as to why those invested in this are permitted to air their grievances and dirty laundry on this forum.

Any members of OGC should be livid that their club is being dragged into this pissing match. It's bad enough that this forum is being used to air dirty laundry.

I have been on vacation but sitting in the airport waiting for our plane I have to say something now. Why would it not be OK to air this "dirty" laundry on this forum when the original group sale was done over the very same forum. I am out money on this and you are not so I guess if you have a problem with the laundry, please do not read this thread.

[fabb600]

I'm out $372 and I'm going to be at orientation tomorrow. If any of his words ring true he won't be there. Because his top priority should be paying us all back. If he's there dropping membership fees then he has not changed for the better and our loss takes second to his personal enjoyment.

[MarkL]

I've decided to edit my post for the time being after posting something entirely different to hear if Jim showed for the OGC orientation or not.
If he did, I will repost the original content.