Reloading 10mm... what's yuour fancy?

[Seismic Sam]

Congratulations deebar - you're the first person who's such a know-it-all blockhead that even oldman won't deal with you. Yes, you have 10mm myopia, and somehow believe that if you can magically make this caliber powerful enough it will solve all your problems. You wanna see the real problem in this situation, go look in the mirror at he guy with he grotesquely swollen head and ego.

Ever hear of a 45 Super?? It leaves the 10mm in the dust, with an unofficial factory spec of a 230 grain 45 bullet going 1200 fps. It's a heavy wall 45 ACP case, and can be shot in a srong 1911 frame with the appropriated springs OR in a Smith 625 revolver.

Or, if you want to spend some money for a REAL gun, go here: http://www.guncrafterindusties.com

Don't le the ft-lbs number fool you - The taylor Knock out Factor is 17.4, which is the same as a Remington 44 mag 240 grain full bore hunting load. Knocks over black bear and big boars, and it's been my carry gun for 7 years.

[OldmanFCSA]

Sam,
Thanks for the support.
I have asked only 1 other person to leave my facility, again for not listening and wanting to go to max loadings right away.
I ask students to bring their firearms for MY inspection. He refused this inspection also.
Another student wanted to load all his rifle loadings AND pistol loads with the same powder, he was educated correctly, but did not like it. So he did not receive the return for use of equipment offer most receive.

We reloaders must respect the fact that we are dealing with explosives (actually burns really fast). Safety is of up-most importance.
Loadings can be developed high and even exceed some listed, BUT careful testing of loadings MUST occur, as you well know.

[Seismic Sam]

Hey deebar!! How's this for an analogy? Some guy comes into the OR where you're lying on the table waiting for a heart transplant, and as it turns out he's a vascular surgeon. YUP!! Been sewing veins and arteries together for 30 years with nary a leak! You're not a heart surgeon??? Oh hell no, but I've connected every vein and arery in the human body, so this should be a snap!!

Yeah, Mr. Big Time Expert......

[deebar]

Just seems that people have problems comprehending . Wasn't going to reply but something I've found is there are those that do and are willing to not only instruct me but come over to my house to do it .

I belong to three Vet groups and got to talking with a guy that has loaded his tens for 8 years . We always talk rifles so didn't know he loaded anything else . He's a member of our 1000 yd club and has reloaded for many years .
I haven't been able to find powder but he said he had lots of AA 7 I think he said and Bluedot .

Oh by the way every one I've talked (EAA) with has replaced their recoil springs to 20# or 22# . I finally received my 22#'s and using low power PUU 180's they ejected perfectly and makes me wonder how DT and BB will do . The EAA originally come with a 12# or a 14# spring .
The only help I received here was a guy kind enough to mention a bullet he would recommend which I now have along with some Noslers and Speer . So my thanks to him .

[Seismic Sam]

Just seems that people have problems comprehending . Wasn't going to reply but something I've found is there are those that do and are willing to not only instruct me but come over to my house to do it .

I belong to three Vet groups and got to talking with a guy that has loaded his tens for 8 years . We always talk rifles so didn't know he loaded anything else . He's a member of our 1000 yd club and has reloaded for many years .
I haven't been able to find powder but he said he had lots of AA 7 I think he said and Bluedot .

Oh by the way every one I've talked (EAA) with has replaced their recoil springs to 20# or 22# . I finally received my 22#'s and using low power PUU 180's they ejected perfectly and makes me wonder how DT and BB will do . The EAA originally come with a 12# or a 14# spring .
The only help I received here was a guy kind enough to mention a bullet he would recommend which I now have along with some Noslers and Speer . So my thanks to him .

Oh, so now the story is that nobody in here would help you load 10mm?? After a guy with over 40 years of reloading experience offered to teach you how to reload 10mm in his own home/reloading factory, but quite properly balked when you refused to show him the gun you were using, along with the fact that you stated that as a complete n00b and rookie, you wanted to undertake the near suicidal task of working up max 10mm loads?? With no chrono and no clue as to how to read pressure signs?? JFC!! Are you a piece of work or what?? Have you shared with your new mentor that you plan to push the envelope on the 10mm right out of the gate, and are you expecting him to stand next to you while you fire off your inaugural pipe bombs where even the variance in a good reloading scale can get you a blown case and gun?? And yes, I have done exactly what you want to do with 30+ years of reloading experience, and still had two cases bulge on me, which is a few kernels of powder away from a blown case/gun. With what a trip to the ER costs, you can easily afford a 45 Super or even a 50GI. But noooo, you got two 10mm's, and want to squeeze every last ounce of them rather than play it safe. And God help you if that 10mm Hunter you have is one of those EAA's with the RealTree camo design. At least one of the parts in that thing is pot metal, if not more.

[deebar]

I figured you'd be making the same claims and you just can't fix------. The reason for the hot load is evident if you cared to read my posts . Can you handle any of these pistols you are fond of one handed ? If so you're one of the few . I weighed carefully before getting the "tens" and what I could handle on horseback and the "ten" was my choice whether you like it or not . It's more than likely that you have no idea of the need some of us have and been on the trails we get onto .
You were very right however on the loads and as I've mentioned if you would read my posts completely you'd know that you work up a load , you don't work down a load . Even a novice to loading should know that . But you keep talking something I never said . I've taught just about my whole life in one venue or another and really you just don't make sense . Tell me about teaching .
The guy coming over to help is an expert I'd guess and I told him exactly what I told you and he's up for it . He loads everything so I'm trusting him completely and just maybe he knows as much as you do ! He's a farmer and his fall and winter is spent doing what I do and that is hunting and exploring for the rest of the year and I've been doing that for over 30 years , make that since 1974 . My season started the 1st of June and ended the 1st week in September in Alaska . The rest of the year ? Whatever I felt like doing , mostly on horseback in Wa. , Idaho and Montana and a few times went back to AK for Moose and Caribou .
You mentioned the other guy and I told him what pistols I had , and from all I talk to they are very good guns and so far I like em' . The only rap I've heard is that the springs are so light the frame cracks . That's reason I went to the 22# and it works great and still ejects the light loads .

[Seismic Sam]

As far as can I handle any of the guns I have one handed? The answer is yes, I shoot ALL of them 1 handed. 10mm is a walk in the park, Same for 45 Super and 50 GI. the reason for this is I have huge hands, forearms that cut 10 cords of hardwood to heat my house a year, and I deliberately exercise with my DE50 and Smith 500. And by that I mean I shoot 100 rounds of either caliber 1 handed standing with only very short rest periods. And these aren't powder puff loads either. The DE loads are full factory strength ammo, and I will admit to tuning down the 500 Smith loads to get a 325 grain bullet going "ONLY" in the high 1600's.

And yes, I know you're going to work up and not down, and never thought otherwise, but you continue to underestimate and/or dismiss because of your LOOOOOONNNNNGGGG experience with guns just how dangerous a job you are undertaking. Maxing out a 10mm loads is one of the most hairy propositions there is, and for a rookie it's just plain suicide. You have no refined technique for weighing powder, you can't tell the difference between a 10mm high pressure sign and a moose dump in the woods, and you think you can safely tiptoe up to the edge of the Grand Canyon and not fall in. In reality, your health (which I could care less about) and the health of any innocent bystanders who may be near you (which I care a lot about) are going to be hanging on whether your charges are half of a tenth of a grain high or low, and worse yet, it will get down to the strength of each individual casing you are shooting. Some will hold while others will blow, even with the same headstamp. THAT is directly where you are headed, and I've been there with 30+ years of reloading experience, and had the only two bulged cases in my entire reloading career, and that was enough for me and I'm never going to try that again with a 10mm.

So goodbye, happy trails, you can leave this shi**y Daycare Center of a forum behind you, and give my condolences to whoever is going to teach you how to reload plain old safe 10mm loads, much less the suicidal concoctions that you think you can safely brew up. You're so puffed up with all your experience in gun shops and with gunsmiths and shooting every gun there is that the only thing that will wake you up is the shattering blast of a 10mm Blue Dot load detonating, and then getting a face full of hot metal and lead.

[SIGP240]

Lee 175 TC Hard lead sized 40 .401" using good rifle lube sitting on 10gr. 800X passed thru LEE factory crimp die with a stout recoil spring. I do pass my cases thru the bulge buster, but have been told that 10mm brass is resistant to bulging in Glock 20. Brass recovery is a problem, however. I was using once fired Underwood brass, but am finding splits, so I went back to Starline.

[Seismic Sam]

Lee 175 TC Hard lead sized 40 .401" using good rifle lube sitting on 10gr. 800X passed thru LEE factory crimp die with a stout recoil spring. I do pass my cases thru the bulge buster, but have been told that 10mm brass is resistant to bulging in Glock 20. Brass recovery is a problem, however. I was using once fired Underwood brass, but am finding splits, so I went back to Starline.

Well, I'm going to tell you that I'm 25, good looking, have never said a cross word to another soul, and am J Lo's secret Boy-Toy. You wanna buy that too?? It pretty clear that case bulging in a Glock in ANY caliber is proportional to the amount that my Austrian cousins Dremeled out the chamber of the gun with the order of most to least being I > II > II > IV. I have two bulged 10mm cases with a Colt Delta Elite, so what does that tell you about the claim about Glocks?? You can bulge a case with a 10mm or other caliber not only by the chamber geometry, but buy the pressure of the load, and if it's hot enough the action will start to open while the pressure is still up and the case can bulge or blow while it is coming out of the chamber still under pressure. Only real way to ensure that a 10mm case doesn't bulge is shoot it in a Smith 610 revolver. Dunno who sold you that bill of goods, but I hope you didn't pay too much for it.

ADDENDUM: The 10mm was introduced in 1983 by Jeff Cooper. The Glock 10mm's were introduced in 1990. So the behavior of the 10mm case in a Glock chamber is totally the function of the Glock design, because the Glock wasn't around when the 10mm case was standardized by SAAMI.