CCI primer problem ???????

[LarryFlew]

Attached are a couple of pictures of a primer problem I had today. Showed up as I was checking the 1st 100 rounds of reloads on a new box of 1000 no 500 CCI primers. First question is what the hell is going on? Did not check the firing pin side of the first box of 100 that closely before re-loading them. Have no idea what is going on. Looks like there never was a silver cap on them. Re-loaded 500 more rounds out of the same box and no problems.

If the cap was there where did they all go and why isn't it still doing the same thing. Looks like it was about the 1st 25 or 30 out of the box.

[gyrfalcon]

CCI primers are brass now?

[LarryFlew]

No they are not. Part of why this stumps me.

[JJ]

Those should be plated. Looks like they didn't make all the way thru the process for some reason. Never should have left the plant in that condition. Get your lot #'s of the carton and call CCI at 1-866-286-7436

[Norsesmithy]

CCI military primers in the white packaging are brass, but I don't know if they make military pistol primers. I suppose if these are the CCI #41s in the wrong packaging, they might cause an overpressure issue leading to primer bulge, but I doubt it, even though the #41 is a rifle primer, and therefore more powerful, it's also stronger, and hopefully the guy'd notice all his primers sticking out the back of his casings slightly.
Overall, I'll join in the general statement of "I'm confused".

OK, so those aren't used primers? Then yeah, pull 'em and call CCI.

[DanM]

It almost looks like the rounding/doming of the primers is due to the primer diameter being too large for the primer pocket. The flattening in the middle could then be from the primer seater pushing the primer harder than normal to install them into the primer pocket.

Have you used CCI primers with this brass before? I'd wonder about dimensional mismatch here.

[Scott Notaeh]

My CCI 500 primers that I just bought look nothing like that. Yours are rounded and brass colored and mine are flat and silver. The shape bothers me much more than the missing plating.

[LarryFlew]

Larry: you loaded the primers upside down into the cartridge case, you'll find
the "silver cap" in the bottom of the primer pocket. Remember when you load the
feed tube you flip it upside down to load the primer into the primer seater.
RCBS makes a primer flipper which I use to orient the primers properly.

Shoot Straight!
Coy Getman
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501
CCI/Speer Sr. Technical Coordinator

Apparently a SR coordinator doesn't know what their primers look like when installed upside down???? Same pictures sent to him. Also the place I bought them just said we just sell them - call CCI

The rest in the same 1000 box with same lot number are fine and I used 500 more after these. At first I thought somehow the silver caps where being pushed off but then there should be 30 silver caps lying around or jamming my equipment. If I decap it it almost looks like a fired primer but the insides are MUCH smaller than the normal #500. I'll try and do a pic of that also.

[bofe954]

Almost looks like you didn't push out the old primer to me, but I am assuming you'd realize you weren't using any new primers...

[JJ]

It doesn't even look like there is any priming compund in that primer

[gyrfalcon]

Larry: you loaded the primers upside down into the cartridge case, you'll find
the "silver cap" in the bottom of the primer pocket. Remember when you load the
feed tube you flip it upside down to load the primer into the primer seater.
RCBS makes a primer flipper which I use to orient the primers properly.

Shoot Straight!
Coy Getman
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501
CCI/Speer Sr. Technical Coordinator

I would call him on the phone and chew him out... $#(*%ing imbecile.

#500 CCI primers are not plated and you definitely haven't installed them upside down. Do you have any of these primers that haven't been installed? It should be like night and day if you compare the steel cups to the brass cups shown in this photo.

... Also the place I bought them just said we just sell them - call CCI

Place that sells them should probably be mentioned.. If someone shoved a bunch of wolf or different primers into the package that's not CCI's fault.

[LarryFlew]

I emailed asking him which primers they make that are enclosed in brass and how do they fire but no reply. Will be calling for sure as I want to know what is going on. Turned me off to my supplier that they are not willing to do anything but give me the wrong email address for CCI.

Looked at all the rest and they are fine so I'm really dumbfounded here.

Appears like my decapping pin is still in place so no they where not old primers BTW they feel the same in the upstroke of setting them as the right ones do.

Since the CCI guy had trouble I sent him this pic also.

[LarryFlew]

Since I do also use #41's for 5.56 I checked my stock and all are there and not in the same area as my dedicated 9mm set up.

[dleong]

Larry: you loaded the primers upside down into the cartridge case, you'll find
the "silver cap" in the bottom of the primer pocket. Remember when you load the
feed tube you flip it upside down to load the primer into the primer seater.
RCBS makes a primer flipper which I use to orient the primers properly.

Shoot Straight!
Coy Getman
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501
CCI/Speer Sr. Technical Coordinator

Apparently a SR coordinator doesn't know what their primers look like when installed upside down???? Same pictures sent to him. Also the place I bought them just said we just sell them - call CCI

The rest in the same 1000 box with same lot number are fine and I used 500 more after these. At first I thought somehow the silver caps where being pushed off but then there should be 30 silver caps lying around or jamming my equipment. If I decap it it almost looks like a fired primer but the insides are MUCH smaller than the normal #500. I'll try and do a pic of that also.

Egad. How in blazes did this chump become "Sr. Technical Coordinator" at CCI???

I'm sure many of us here would also like to know where you bought the primers from, for obvious reasons.

[DeanC]

It doesn't even look like there is any priming compund in that primer

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