WTB: 40S&W special Die

[OldmanFCSA]

Yes, I want this posted here so I can receive info from others without abusing MARKETPLACE rules.

I want/need to buy a 40S&W die that allows complete push tru capability.
Is there a carbide die available specifically for this?
Or do I modify a normal carbide die to allow this?

I can make the Pusher which will allow case to be pushed thru base first.
IF I put a de-capping pin in pusher and carefully set case flash hole on pin, would sizing allow sufficient force to allow de-capping before case pushes thru die?

OK - blast away ........................................................................................................

[tator2k]

First question is why? I ask because I don't know what the reason is. I've ran 1000s of rounds through my press and can resize all the way down to the rim.

2nd while pushing on a decapping pin you run the risk of pushing through the primer hole and either enlarging it or outright destroying the primer pocket.

[engnerdan]

The lee factory crimp die is what is used with the Lee bulge buster. It is infact a carbinde die, just unscrew the knob and do-higgy inside and you are off the the races. For an additional $15 you can get the Lee bulge buster kit and yo will get a nice machined adapter to screw into that die, a plastic cup to catch your brass and a "pusher".

[Synergy]

Check out Redding for a push through die. I just got their catalog and they do make one for .40. I noticed they only make it for .40, whats different about .40 that you would need such a die? Just curious because I don't load .40.

[rugersol]

http://www.egwguns.com/undersized-reloading-dies/undersized-reloading-dies/

... says "6wk out"! ... AFAIK, they've got exclusive rights from Lee, to sell it!

.40 tends to bulge near the head ... "unsupported chamber"?! ... I've never found a case this die didn't fix! ... ****in' changed my life!

"push through"?!

[engnerdan]

http://www.egwguns.com/undersized-reloading-dies/undersized-reloading-dies/

... says "6wk out"! ... AFAIK, they've got exclusive rights from Lee, to sell it!

.40 tends to bulge near the head ... "unsupported chamber"?! ... I've never found a case this die didn't fix! ... ****in' changed my life!

"push through"?!

I would wait the 6 weeks for the undersized die. I was cheap and made my own undersized die and have not looked back.

I started with the Lee bulge buster. I quickly got tired of smashed fingers, so I bought the Redding GRx. I quickly got sick of having to use it so I modified a die I had and it worked. Since then I have done nothing but tumble and pour brass into my case feeder. I get 1 in 100 rounds that is tight in my case gauge, but they all have dropped right into my barrel so I stopped checking after the first 2000 rounds.

[rugersol]

Since then I have done nothing but tumble and pour brass into my case feeder.

+∞³

[OldmanFCSA]

First question is why? I ask because I don't know what the reason is. I've ran 1000s of rounds through my press and can resize all the way down to the rim.

2nd while pushing on a decapping pin you run the risk of pushing through the primer hole and either enlarging it or outright destroying the primer pocket.

1. First of all, I too have loaded hundreds of thousands of rounds over 40+years. And you cannot re-size all the way down to the rim. The thicknes of the shellholder above the base and the taper amount of the sizing die leaves an area that is un-sized on any case. When picking up range brass, the brass out of older Glocks, and some other pistols, have bulges near base of case above the extractor groove in the area that dies don't touch as described.

2. ??? How do you de-prime a case without pushing a decapping pin thru the flashhole? I'm just inverting the case on the pusher locating flashhole over decapping pin prior to pushing entire case thru die upside down. The die needs to have the top open to allow case and primer to be ejected thru by next case being pushed thru. A tube to a bucket allows easy collection of cases.

Others:
The 40S&W case is straight-walled with a rebated rim design. That allows this procedure to be used.

[rugersol]

[engnerdan]

New virgin brass cross sectioned


40 S&W with a terrible Glock bulge


A bulge busted (Lee die) piece of brass



Pictures swiped from a this thread
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1403261

[OldmanFCSA]

Check out Redding for a push through die. I just got their catalog and they do make one for .40. I noticed they only make it for .40, whats different about .40 that you would need such a die? Just curious because I don't load .40.

The 40S&W case is straight-walled with a rebated rim design. That allows this procedure to be used. The thickness of the shellholder above the base and the taper amount of the sizing die leaves an area that is un-sized on any case. When picking up range brass, the brass out of older Glocks, and some other pistols, have bulges near base of case above the extractor groove in the area that dies don't touch as described.
While at the range yesterday, I had a case stick in chamber with light loads being used. After removing it with a cleaning rod, I examined the case and noticed the bulge left in area not touched by sizing die. Since this was out of a lot of Sheriff departments brass where they shot it with Glocks (I picked up after shoot), I examined more of my reloaded ammo and fround more cases with this bulge that I had not noticed earlier (brass was not SS Pin cleaned). I set those aside and fired the rest. Upon arriving at home the cases were measured and the diameter over the bulge was up to 0.008" larger than ID of my Beretta 96 chamber, these surely would have stuck also
So I need to buy a 40S&W case gage to verify all my reloaded ammo, and a solution for the rest of my brass. I believe the method I describe will fix the issue - pushing the brass back to where it belongs.

[rugersol]

40 S&W with a terrible Glock bulge

... that one looks more like a fired reload, having used the FCD! ... that's why I switched to the "U" die!

[OldmanFCSA]

engnerdan,

Thank you for the pictures!

Notice that even after the Lee bulge buster was used, that is still an area not resized. The shoulder left by the sizing die indicates where the problem is.

I could just throw this brass into recycling for brass scrap, but want a procedure that will work 100% of the time, so I will have no worry of a stuck case in event the pistol is required. I carry my 96 while out and about when camping, walking in woods, biking (KTM530), etc.

Note: For legal OC and concealed carry purposes I use Factory rounds.

[Seismic Sam]

Yeah, I picked up on the "heresy" that you can fully resize a case with anything like a normal shellholder head" and that's about equivalent to me saying that with some Axe aftershave and a haircut I can look like George Clooney!! At least I don't have to go off on that rant again.

There is a MAJOR QUALITY DIFFERENCE between the Lee FCD die and the Redding G-Rx die, and the Lee die is the usual mediocre finished tungsten carbide, while the Redding is much slipprier titanium carbide that has been polished to look as smooth and shiny as the top of my head. There is a major difference in force required to push the 40 cases through.

If you want to borrow my G-Rx die you can, and I've added a couple of extra pieces that make the cases come out the top and wind up automatically in a bin next to the press itself that greatly speeds up the process.

Oh, and BTW, the picture of the cross section of the horrible Glock bulge is AFTER a full length resize with a normal die, and that's the leftover rim you normally see if you just use a FL die to try and resize out the assymmetric bulge from a Glock. With the Redding G-Rx die this doesn't happen 99%+ of the time.

PM me if you want to borrow the die.

[rugersol]