What should I do if some of the funds in my account do not belong to me?
If you are using your account to hold funds for another individual you need to file an exemption form. Follow the instructions in the letter you received notifying you of the levy.
This tells us two things: Jim had to have received a notice from the State notifying him of a levy at some point before the seizure, and as noted above was sending in paperwork to try and prove that he didn't owe any money. Secondly, based on the above, if he had just bothered to file a simple notice of the funds he had collected from us, then they would still be there.
It may not be as simple as this, however, if Jim commingled our funds with his, or spent our funds and then planned to pay for the bullets whenever they showed up out of his own pocket. There are countless other variations of what could have happened, and it's a waste of time to consider them or debate them in this forum.
As far a Jim's assertions that nobody at PD will give him any answers, this is an outright lie, as another member of this board was able to call up PD, got a very nice lady to talk to, and she was able to locate Jim's order in under a minute. It is a verifiable fact that Jim has placed the remainder of the order on hold sometime last year, and here are the bullets that are in stock and waiting to be released from PD at this point:
Qty
4000 180gr .40
9000 .45
5000 115gr 9mm
3000 124gr 9mm
4000 124grHP 9mm
Total of quantities on order and on hold per Jim $2801.00
Unfortunately, the money to pay for these bullets is no longer around, and at this point there's no telling where or if it still exists. For the record, I am out $226 for 1000 9mm bullets and 1000 45 ACP bullets. I signed up for those quantities when Jim announced that some people had bailed from the initial deal, and up until now was quite content to let the money ride, but I had told Jim that in April I wanted my money back, because if they haven't showed up in a year with other people getting theirs in 2 - 3 months, then the order probably died and they were never going to come. Little did I know how much I underestimated what had happened to the order....
Now, as far as what to do about this, it's pretty clear that we will probably never get the straight story from Jim, so there's no point in asking. We have already had one member try for two months, and he has gotten every excuse and stall tactic under the sun, and with the revelation that the money may have been seized if it still existed in a separate pile, there's absolutely no point in asking for more of the same. All that will do is waste your time, and what we need to do is co-operate to gather what facts we know for ourselves, and I am volunteering to be the fact gatherer.
What I am looking for are people in three separate buckets to PM me with what they know about this whole situation.
Bucket #1 is people who supposedly backed out of the original purchase, and obviously they didn't lose any money on the deal. It would be very valuable, however, to find out how many people actually backed out, and the quantity of bullets they had ordered. I promise I will not release your name to anyone, and all that is needed is how many bullets your ordered and how much money you DIDN'T spend. At this point, maybe you knew something we didn't and had good reason to bail when you did.
Bucket #2 is people who paid for bullets and actually got them. (You lucky stiffs!) Just tell me what you received and how much it cost, and you can walk away from this thread a happy (and thankful) camper.
Bucket #3 is people like me who paid for bullets after being told that other people supposedly bailed out of the deal, so tell me what you ordered and how much money you are out.
I will personally admit that I got sucked into this because I felt sorry for Jim, what with all his health problems, and decided to be a stand-up guy and help out. I suspect some of you signed on for the same reason, and it's also a fact that PD's bullets are a damn good deal.
I would like to make a plea for everybody to show some restraint here, so please don't let this thread turn into a major shytestorm and a gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. I would also like to caution Jim that posting any stories whatsoever about what happened or how the money will all be repaid someday is just "More Of The Same", and we don't need that in here either. At this point none of that serves any purpose at all, and what we need to get to the bottom of this is tally up who ordered what and when they did it, and who got their stuff and who didn't.
When I have additional information, you'll hear it, so PM me with your own data on this ASAP, and thank you for your assistance.
