Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

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Re: Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby OldmanFCSA on Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:16 pm

Load them in 38Spcl cases and shoot in your 357Magnum. Load accordingly.
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Re: Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby Sigfan220 on Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:35 pm

I'd get some SWC and call it a day. Not worth messing around with taper crimp on a 357.
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Re: Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby grimbeaver on Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:04 pm

Sigfan220 wrote:I'd get some SWC and call it a day. Not worth messing around with taper crimp on a 357.

I wouldn't say that. I taper crimp light loads with Xtreme bullets all the time.
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Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby Ron Burgundy on Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:37 am

That profile is meant for autoloaders. I know several that shoot that diameter(.357) in 9mm.

Bayou is a good company. Try the 158 SWCs. I've shot thousands.
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Re: Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby OldmanFCSA on Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:41 am

grimbeaver wrote:
Sigfan220 wrote:I'd get some SWC and call it a day. Not worth messing around with taper crimp on a 357.

I wouldn't say that. I taper crimp light loads with Xtreme bullets all the time.


Taper crimps applied correctly are much easier to apply in difficult situations.
I taper crimp most pistol or revolver cartridges except 44Mag which I roll crimp to get better burn and velocity with proper projectile (300 gr).

I even taper crimp some rifle cartridges, not to apply a heavy crimp but to reform the front of case to permit easy loading of cartridge into chamber of semi-auto chambers. A crimp does happen though .
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Re: Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby Rodentman on Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:53 pm

Agree. Don't use them. And you'd not want to load them to the levels required to cycle a Coonan.
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Re: Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby grimbeaver on Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:31 am

I don't get all the hate for taper crimps on 357. There are several reasons for using a taper crimp. For one a taper crimp is less sensitive to case length so you don't have to worry as much about sorting and trimming. Second if you are loading cheap rounds with plated bullets it is less likely to cut the plating.

I have both profile and taper crimp Redding dies. I use the profile for magnum rounds and the taper for light rounds.
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Re: Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby Seismic Sam on Thu Apr 27, 2017 12:34 pm

grimbeaver wrote:I don't get all the hate for taper crimps on 357. There are several reasons for using a taper crimp. For one a taper crimp is less sensitive to case length so you don't have to worry as much about sorting and trimming. Second if you are loading cheap rounds with plated bullets it is less likely to cut the plating.

I have both profile and taper crimp Redding dies. I use the profile for magnum rounds and the taper for light rounds.


Well, if you're a veteran reloader and ALREADY have both taper AND roll crimp .357 dies (and Redding dies at that!!) then it's a non-issue. For newer reloaders who buy 100 SWOMP!! brand bullets and get .358" diameter bullets with a 9mm nose profile and the wrong OAL data, it's going to require that you spend 4 times the paltry $7.50 you spent for your SWOMP!! brand bullets just to use up them damn bullets, and they're not proper 357 shape anyway. That's a fairly valid reason to get honked off a bit.
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Re: Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby Spike on Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:25 pm

Seismic Sam wrote:
grimbeaver wrote:I don't get all the hate for taper crimps on 357. There are several reasons for using a taper crimp. For one a taper crimp is less sensitive to case length so you don't have to worry as much about sorting and trimming. Second if you are loading cheap rounds with plated bullets it is less likely to cut the plating.

I have both profile and taper crimp Redding dies. I use the profile for magnum rounds and the taper for light rounds.


Well, if you're a veteran reloader and ALREADY have both taper AND roll crimp .357 dies (and Redding dies at that!!) then it's a non-issue. For newer reloaders who buy 100 SWOMP!! brand bullets and get .358" diameter bullets with a 9mm nose profile and the wrong OAL data, it's going to require that you spend 4 times the paltry $7.50 you spent for your SWOMP!! brand bullets just to use up them damn bullets, and they're not proper 357 shape anyway. That's a fairly valid reason to get honked off a bit.


I'm not sure how everyone got the impression that I don't own a taper crimp die for .357. My confusion was them selling 9mm bullets as .357 and not wanting to exceed the OAL for .357. When seated to maximum OAL in a .357 case there is literally nothing to put _any_ kind of crimp against.

For what it's worth, I compared these ".357" bullets against some 124gr 9mm bullets but the same swamp people and the profiles are exactly the same. The only difference is in the size. ~.358 for the ones they are calling .357 and about .356 for the "9mm" bullets. I'm tempted to try them in 9mm and see if they'll chamber or maybe not...

Anyhow, I won't be buying any more swamp bullets. :mrgreen:
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Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby Ron Burgundy on Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:55 pm

A lot of 9mm barrels will slug to .357. Mine don't but I know several that do.
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Re: Bayou 124gn .357 bullets. Nothing to crimp?

Postby andrewP on Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:16 am

Ron Burgundy wrote:A lot of 9mm barrels will slug to .357. Mine don't but I know several that do.


Not the first time I've heard that; my understanding is that it's fairly common for Beretta 92 barrels to measure .357, and thus work best with bullets sized .358.
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