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Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby DeanC on Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:58 pm

http://wcco.com/local/leather.hides.china.2.621866.html

Minnesota Leather Hides Often Shipped To China
MARINE ON ST. CROIX, Minn. (AP) ― Think the "global economy" doesn't include you? It does if you killed a deer this fall.

Like most hunters, you probably took your downed quarry to a meat processor who skinned and butchered the animal, grinding some of the venison into hamburger and perhaps making some into sausage.

A few weeks later you returned to the butcher, coughed up $150 to $250 for the cut meat, burger and sausage, and went on your way.

The deer hide?

Not many years ago it would have been collected from the meat processor by a fur buyer or other broker and sent, along with thousands of other hides, to a tannery somewhere in the United States.

In turn, the tanned hides would have been shipped to clothiers, glove makers and others who produced finished products, some for worldwide shipment.

Times have changed -- and Jim Rosenwald, a fur buyer from Marine on St. Croix is in the middle of those changes.

Already this fall, Rosenwald, together with his son and partner, Jon Paul, has gathered thousands of deer hides from the metro area, most from butchers, to whom he pays a fee for each hide.

The hides were trucked to another processor, who salted them and packed them into overseas shipping crates, about 3,500 to a crate.

Destination?

"They all go to China," said Rosenwald, owner of North Star Fur.

Rosenwald, 63, is an interesting dude.

He grew up just east of St. Paul, worked for many years as a pipe fitter and first bought land in northern Washington County in 1969.

It's there he operates his business.

Rosenwald's interests extend far and wide, and include furs but also vintage trading beads, tanned elk, moose, buffalo and other hides, and Native American artifacts.

"In my business if I had to depend solely on buying and selling wild fur, I couldn't make a living," Rosenwald said. "Fur prices go up and fur prices go down. You can't go in and out of business every other year. You roll with it."

China has taken over the deer hide business in part because of cheap labor available there.

But the slow death of U.S. tanneries -- many of which are old, all of which face difficult-to-meet environmental restrictions -- has played a bigger role.

"The advantage to the consumer of the Chinese taking over the deer hide business is the price of the end product," Rosenwald said. "Twenty years ago in this country you couldn't find a pair of deer skin gloves for under $30. Now you can buy them for $15."

China, in fact, is a major importer of all furs. It produces not only tanned hides, but finished coats, hats and other clothing for export, much of it to Russia.

Deer hides from northern Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan are particularly attractive to clothiers, Rosenwald said.

"Many of these hides are thicker than typical whitetail hides and can be split, making for leather that is very uniform in thickness," he said. "Garment makers like that."

As a kid, Rosenwald trapped, so when he buys furs he knows the effort that is required to lay a dozen raccoon or muskrat pelts on a table and ask to be paid.

"Prices aren't very good right now," he said. "Raccoon is holding up, but muskrat, for example, isn't. Last year you could get $8 for a muskrat. Today you can't get $2, in part because Russia was very warm last winter and fur buying was down."

Rosenwald's showroom is museumlike. Deerskin gloves (he's a wholesaler of gloves made from American deer and imported from China) are displayed. But so are antique African ladles, glass beads dating to the Lewis and Clark era, tanned hides of all types and sizes, horse-hair-adorned canes and -- among other curiosities -- a trophy-quality mule deer, replete with show-stopping antlers.

Made a century or more ago in Venice, Italy, the beads originally were employed as a universal currency by Europeans set out to conquer new worlds.

"Money didn't mean anything to native people," Rosenwald said. "There needed to be something the Europeans could trade to the locals to get what they wanted.

"Native people often were ornate in their dress and often participated in ceremonies. The glass beads appealed to them."

Rosenwald is among people nationwide who today buy, sell, collect and, yes, trade the beads.

Hides, meanwhile, that Rosenwald and his son tan and resell are in demand by retro-buffs who gather in full period regalia in spring, summer and fall, just as trappers and fur buyers once did.

North American powwow aficionados also need tanned hides, as well as beads, and often seek them from Rosenwald.

"These people interest me because they represent people who were part of the original fur trade in this country," he said.

As North America's deer population has grown, hides have become more abundant. Tanned deer hides are more supple, Rosenwald said, than cattle and other hides, and for that reason have retained their value in the marketplace.

Deer hide prices rise and fall less for reasons of abundance or scarcity than the cost of tanning, Rosenwald said, adding that prices have stabilized since the Chinese took over much of the processing market about seven years ago.

"I've seen prices 20 percent higher than they are now, and 60 percent lower," he said.

As Rosenwald spoke, his telephone rang constantly.

Perhaps someone was calling who wanted more finished deerskin gloves. Or someone wanting to buy vintage beads.

Or someone a world away, in China, wanting to know when the next shipment of Minnesota deer hides would arrive.

By DENNIS ANDERSON
Star Tribune of Minneapolis
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby DeanC on Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:59 pm

Support your local tannery: http://uberglove.com/
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby hammAR on Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:32 pm

Another great one,especially for full fur hides is Jim Champion, at Champion Tannery.

Just two more bob-cats and I will have enough for my SO's full length coat..........
I just love this time of year.....Coyotes and bob cats.............. :roll:
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby Srigs on Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:51 pm

His leather won't work for my holsters :(
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby Pat on Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:00 pm

hammAR wrote:Another great one,especially for full fur hides is Jim Champion, at Champion Tannery.

Just two more bob-cats and I will have enough for my SO's full length coat..........
I just love this time of year.....Coyotes and bob cats.............. :roll:


Tough and stringy, is about all I have to say. You've got to crock-pot 'em all day.
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby hammAR on Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:06 pm

Pat wrote:Tough and stringy, is about all I have to say. You've got to crock-pot 'em all day.


Beats rat................. :D
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby Pat on Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:11 pm

hammAR wrote:
Pat wrote:Tough and stringy, is about all I have to say. You've got to crock-pot 'em all day.


Beats rat................. :D


Ahh... French cuisine ;)

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Postby hammAR on Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:10 pm

Alright enough with the French jokes, or I will start too................ready to give up yet? :P :P
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby Pat on Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:37 pm

hammAR wrote:Alright enough with the French jokes, or I will start too................ready to give up yet? :P :P


But Gunny, my rat was more yummy than yours...
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And anyway, Je suis le sauvage original de pin de cric...
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby hammAR on Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:08 pm

Pat wrote:And anyway, Je suis le sauvage original de pin de cric...


Jack Pine my a33, Vous monsieur êtes un fromage ondulant de drapeau mangeant le singe de reddition
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby 1911fan on Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:06 am

There are misleading statements in that article, for years, Kaplans sold "minnesota glove company" deer skin gloves with a really nice fleece lining that were the "only" glove used by the trades in outdoor work, once you had those, you could frame houses in sub zero weather and still feel your finger tips. The cost was $14.99. The gloves were completely made in a little factory in St Louis Park. There are still plenty of american tanneries, as well, Uber, Campion and some others are still churning out hides, as is Chippewa and Munser (sp) in Wisc.
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby BRIT_in_the_weeds on Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:13 am

In Britland, we prefered Mouseafouree.

Totally clean joke for your duck eating daughters Pat.
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Re: Your deer hides are belong to us

Postby Pat on Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:36 am

hammAR wrote:
Pat wrote:And anyway, Je suis le sauvage original de pin de cric...


Jack Pine my a33, Vous monsieur êtes un fromage ondulant de drapeau mangeant le singe de reddition


Touche!

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