new to hunting coyotes. tips?

[farmerj]

and using it as "bait"

Is directly placing the animal in harms way.

You can put up all the fence and posts you want. A coyote will dig, climb or what ever to get into it. They are that intelligent.

Use all the animal husbandry spin you want to put on it. I have raised my own animals for food as well. I was shocked as hell when a 7 year old looks at me at the butcher plant and wants to watch the chickens she just raised and hand picked as chicks be slaughtered.

[OldmanFCSA]

Some people have used live bait with some success. I've been out with a friend's 4H breeding project "culls" but I'm not sure they contributed to that night's success, as I'm not sure the coyotes figured out they were there before being popped (the two we got were coming from upwind, and seemed to be following a scent trail that was pretty far off from where the bunnies were tied out).

Otherwise I don't plan out hunts very much, just go out with a wounded rabbit call and see if I can draw one in on nights when they sound like they're close already.

I'd just say that you should get to know some of the residents in the area you intend to hunt, and on nights where you've got enough light to shoot, call around and see if they've been active in the area.

Then go out and put some time in behind the rifle. If you've got a mentor or a shooting buddy, bring them with.

Nothing against what this person posted ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Live bait - cute little rabbits "were tied out).
Then we get civilized and make electronic calls like a "dying rabbit"

Just because I used a cute little lamb, which was protected and returned with no harm.

We had hundreds of little lambs running around, way too many bottle-babies that the mothers rejected, and you call me cruel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OldmanFCSA]

And just remember, under current Minnesota Law(as expained by my CCW instructor), if YOU are being attacked, and I am carrying a CCW, I cannot help you unless you are family and I have retreated to a place of safety. I guess I will just have to WATCH ! Have fun.

We call ourselves civilized - BY WHOSE DEFINITION ???????????????

[OldmanFCSA]

and using it as "bait"

Is directly placing the animal in harms way.

You can put up all the fence and posts you want. A coyote will dig, climb or what ever to get into it. They are that intelligent.

Use all the animal husbandry spin you want to put on it. I have raised my own animals for food as well. I was shocked as hell when a 7 year old looks at me at the butcher plant and wants to watch the chickens she just raised and hand picked as chicks be slaughtered.

READ - READ - READ - READ - READ - use your brain!

I SHOOT any coyote that circles the fenced pen, he does NOT HAVE TIME TO DIG UNDER, and it is wound high enough to prevent climbing over, AND I WOULD HAVE SHOT IT BY THEN.

"Is directly placing the animal in harms way. " Does that include ANY livestock operation? Does that include what the DNR is doing with Bears and Wolves? My family and I were placed in harms way - please lock up the DNR personell responsible! Like that's going to happen!

[farmerj]

We had hundreds of little lambs running around, way too many bottle-babies that the mothers rejected, and you call me cruel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like the ewes have been taught rather well that they don't have to take care of the lambs. Probably because someone always comes along and bottle-feeds them.

Nice little catch-22 there isn't it.

[OldmanFCSA]

We had hundreds of little lambs running around, way too many bottle-babies that the mothers rejected, and you call me cruel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like the ewes have been taught rather well that they don't have to take care of the lambs. Probably because someone always comes along and bottle-feeds them.

Nice little catch-22 there isn't it.

GEE ! Sure sounds like the WELFARE SYSTEM we have in place for humans !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I should have just let all those little lambs starve to death, slowly, to promote "survival of the fittest". And then just sat back and watched the bears and coyotes eat the carcasses, and when done with that, eat my flock of sheep, and my herd of cows, my horses, my chickens, my turkeys, my children, my ex-wife (???), I don't think so !!!!!!!!!

[farmerj]

Guess we will agree to disagree then.

[OldmanFCSA]

I agree.

To disagree won't change anything.

HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FJ540]

I'm not proposing to break the chickens wing first (although it might get the yotes more interested), so tying one to a post is hardly "cruelty" - the idea of live bait is that it's making it's normal noises and that alone is enough to garner "unwanted attention." I'm also pretty certain anyone bringing their friend/SO's pet into the woods to make such noises would get hell if they returned said mutt with injuries. They'd probably want some law for protection at that point.

I'm pretty sure tying a dog, cat, bird, horse, goat, lamb... to a tree is going to be a hard sell for cruelty. In fact, in much of the populated state, it's a requirement if the critter is capable of leaving your property. We call 'em leash laws.


Stupid yote was in my front yard late this morning - the tracks are well defined. I need to put a cam out.

[tman]

And just remember, under current Minnesota Law(as expained by my CCW instructor), if YOU are being attacked, and I am carrying a CCW, I cannot help you unless you are family and I have retreated to a place of safety. I guess I will just have to WATCH !

Your instructor is *******, if he said that's what you MUST do.

The law allows for defense of another, regardless of whether or not they are related. The law does not require you to retreat if the person you would potentially defend, cannot retreat themselves.

[farmerj]

Your instructor is *******, if he said that's what you MUST do.

The law allows for defense of another, regardless of whether or not they are related. The law does not require you to retreat if the person you would potentially defend, cannot retreat themselves.

T-man....

sit down....

I agree with you ....

[xd ED]

Not to suggest what is right/ wrong, good/ evil, moral/ immoral with regards to using a live animal for bait. I'll merely point out that some places animal cruelty laws are felonies, as unreasonable as that may seem. Possibly not in a rural/ ag area, but certainly in the metro area.

I've waited several days before answering this thought pattern, re-read it many times, and am split on my feelings about the subject.

"Not to suggest what is right/ wrong, good/ evil, moral/ immoral with regards to using a live animal for bait." The lamb that I used was in no way hurt or mis-treated. It would bawl its head off 24 hours a day if not bottle-fed, I just used that sound for bait, not electronically as some would do with their fancy equipment duplicating my methods. Please re-read how I created a controlled area for the lamb with a circle of woven wire and a post in the center to ensure the lamb never got anywhere close to the coyotes. The lamb went home for another bottle of milk.

"I'll merely point out that some places animal cruelty laws are felonies, as unreasonable as that may seem." While being a farmer, and even now as a city dweller, I love animals. I have an ability to befriend almost any domestic animal that has not been trained by humans to hate. I've made friends with guard dogs, both on farms and in town, sometimes to b ewilderment of owners. I know how animals greet each other and use that to mingle with them, (not smelling buts like dogs do). I am totally against physically harming an animal for cruelty purposes. That being said ....................

"Possibly not in a rural/ ag area, but certainly in the metro area." As a Farmer, or a Rancher, or a Livestock producer, I raise animals for selling, this is my livelyhood. These same animals are then killed, butchered, wrapped and packaged and put in grocery stores for you city dwellers to buy. You like the meat, enjoy its taste, savor it, BUT don't see the carnage created in the killing and slaughtering process. On the farm, we kill and butcher our own animals for meat, sometimes it is even the animals that grew up as bottle-babies in our own home. Never ask a farmer "who" he is eating tonight - it may just be the family livestock pet animal.

"Where does bacon come from?" Hogs
"Where does ham come from"?" Hogs
"Where does hamburger come from?" Cattle.
........... Don't say the store! ................It is the leftover meat from the cattle butchering process that is not prime cuts. It is scrappings from ribs and other bones, thrown into a meat grinder with other less desireable cuttings of meat, and packaged for sale in stores.

I've seen animal cruelty that has made me sick! It was not on the farm or ranch, it was not while hunting, or in any hunting practices, it was in the slaughtering houses around the nation, places that economically process the meat city dwellers want in their stores. Animals are forced into chutes, hit with an electric stun gun (note: STUN), throats slit wide open cutting arteries to brain, then while still alive, stunned, bleeding out, are hung from their back legs to better bleed out so the meat will taste better. Most are still alive during this process so the heart will continue to pump blood from the veins out thru path of least resistance thru cut arteries in slit neck helped by gravity until no blood is left to pump, then the animal "dies" - slowly - to create great tasting meat fcr your stores.

Don't preach to a farmer about animal cruelty! We make our livelyhood by raising products for your stores. Sometimes we have to kill, cull, or whatever term you want to use, to ensure the safety of our herds, whether from animals or disease. Diseased animals are shot, burned, and buried, so as to not infect the rest of the herd. I hated killing livestock as I was killing some of my profits each time, but I was protecting the rest of my animals, and my income.
True, there are some out there that torture animals for fun or SPORT, the Bible says "an eye for an eye", should we do the same to those who torture animals ???
We don't, because we consider ourselves "Civilized". Our prisons are full, over-full, we let prisoners out early for that reason, they commit again just to get back in, because in most cases "They have it made!" Better living conditions and medical treatment that most citizens in our society. True some are very violent, but if capital punioshment were more utilized, this would reduce the problem. NOW - Does the fact that I was a farmer now make me a believer in capital. punishment? Some will connect this and run with it creating all kinds of theories and stories, which are not true. We all have our beliefs, some about religion, some about hunting practices, some about farming practices, some about being vegetarians, some about guns, some about target shooting, some about hunting, this can go on forever .............. . Does owning a gun make you a murderer? (This brings the memory of the story, true or not, of the military person asking a female that if she has the equipment to be a whore, does that make her a whore?).

I can go on and on, but will quit. (I type with one finger and it is getting sore.) City life is far from farm life! If society breaks down, where will you live, where will you get your food, think about it, think about too many rats living in a too small a place, they turn on each other and end up killing and eating each other. You say that can't happen - you haven't been there - think about the "Donner Party" in Northern Idaho, or the plane crash on a mountain in South America. They got to the point of eating each other just to stay alive. How does this relate to the original subject, animals kill to eat to stay alive, we kill to protect our livelyhood, and some kill just for the Sport of it.

Who are you?

You completely missed the point of my post, which I thought was pretty clear:

While not wishing to suggest what is right or wrong, I was attempting to point out to the o.p. that what might pass muster in your area( assuming it to be outstate/ ag) for eliminating a coyote problem, might not fly where she was planning to hunt. For some reason I'm left with the impression she would be in one of the SE metro suburbs.
Again: I am not suggesting that I would agree with them, some municipalities do have animal cruelty laws that are felonies. Regardless of your( or my) opinion,that is a fact.
In St Paul, one cannot legaly trap feral pests(ie cats) on one's own property-including squirrels, woodchucks and the like. To do so might rise to a felony.
I can't state that where she'll be hunting( which I don't know) that using livestock, or a domestic pet for bait is in violation of the law, my point was to throw out a caution to her that what you were suggesting may be against the law around the metro area, regardless of how you, me, or her, or anyone else felt about it.

Now as to my personal opinions( you asked).
If I needed to eliminate a coyote problem, I would do it as efficiently and quickly as possible. That might well include live bait. It would be less of a sport hunting event; it would be an extermination effort.

Were I to sport hunt them, I'd consider live baiting unsportsmanlike. To me, the art of hunting, is to use my marksman skills, learn my quarry, and how to outsmart, and deceive it with my skills, not let the targets primal instincts of being attracted to vulnerable bait do the bulk of the work. But that's me.

As far as what I'd do were I to be confronted with the situations confronting the Donner Party, or the soccer team in the Andes: I guess we'll both have to wait on that because I won't know until it happens,and then I'll write a book you can buy.

[OldmanFCSA]

Not to suggest what is right/ wrong, good/ evil, moral/ immoral with regards to using a live animal for bait. I'll merely point out that some places animal cruelty laws are felonies, as unreasonable as that may seem. Possibly not in a rural/ ag area, but certainly in the metro area.

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"You completely missed the point of my post, which I thought was pretty clear:" I do that, communication of what we write and what we mean are usually two different things - sorry. BUT I wrote what i FEEL.

Now as to my personal opinions( you asked).
If I needed to eliminate a coyote problem, I would do it as efficiently and quickly as possible. That might well include live bait. It would be less of a sport hunting event; it would be an extermination effort. THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.

Were I to sport hunt them, I'd consider live baiting unsportsmanlike. To me, the art of hunting, is to use my marksman skills, learn my quarry, and how to outsmart, and deceive it with my skills, not let the targets primal instincts of being attracted to vulnerable bait do the bulk of the work. But that's me. I AGREE, USE NO ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT TO DUPLICATE AN INJURED ANIMAL. I USED TO USE CROSS_COUNTRY SKIS TO RUN THEM DOWN TO BE WITHIN RANGE.

As far as what I'd do were I to be confronted with the situations confronting the Donner Party, or the soccer team in the Andes: I guess we'll both have to wait on that because I won't know until it happens,and then I'll write a book you can buy.

YOU BUY MY BOOK _ I WILL BUY YOURS.

[FJ540]

For me: killing yotes is the same as using roundup on weeds. If I could push a button and simply have them fall dead within a radius of my land, show me where to push...

[tman]

T-man....

sit down....

I agree with you ....

Ack! Holy ****!



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