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Re: Lets hope this passes!

Postby Ghost on Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:50 am

All this time and they finally found something to work on
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Re: Lets hope this passes!

Postby yukonjasper on Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:24 am

I wonder if the restoration of wolves back to their original range is even possible. I just think this pollyanna attitude is so naive and childish that it is hard to take seriously. These are people who are in love with the idea of wolves living free anywhere they want, but have no idea what the possible natural consequences are of that idea.
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Re: Lets hope this passes!

Postby Ghost on Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:29 am

yukonjasper wrote:I wonder if the restoration of wolves back to their original range is even possible. I just think this pollyanna attitude is so naive and childish that it is hard to take seriously. These are people who are in love with the idea of wolves living free anywhere they want, but have no idea what the possible natural consequences are of that idea.

Bring back the Griz

https://www.bear.org/website/bear-pages/brown-or-grizzly-bear/92-do-grizzlies-live-in-minnesota.html

Do grizzlies live in Minnesota?
No, not any more, although grizzly bears may have lived within 50 miles of Ely 5,000 to 8,000 years ago. At that time, much of Minnesota was prairie. Grizzly bear skulls have been found as far east as Ontario and Labrador.

In the last 5,000 years, forest reclaimed much of the Minnesota prairie and pushed grizzly bears to the western edge of Minnesota. In the 1800's, grizzlies lived from western Minnesota to California and from central Mexico north through Canada and Alaska. They also may have persisted into the 1800's east of Hudson Bay because a grizzly bear skull dating from the late 1700's was found in an Eskimo midden in Labrador.

The 1800's were a bad time for grizzly bears in the prairie states and prairie provinces of central North America. European settlers waged killing campaigns as they converted prairie habitat to farmland. By 1900, grizzly bears were eliminated from most of that area, including Minnesota, and were nearly eliminated from Manitoba and Saskatchewan. After 1900, only a few isolated pockets survived in those two provinces. One of those pockets persisted until at least 1960 when a grizzly bear was seen in the Porcupine Hills near the Manitoba-Saskatchewan border. That was the last sighting in those provinces and is probably the closest a wild grizzly bear has come to Ely-about 500 miles-in the last century.

Today, most of the remaining grizzly bears in North America are in Alaska and western Canada. About 30,000 live in Alaska, and about 22,000 live in British Columbia and Alberta.

In the lower 48 states, grizzly bears now occupy only 2% of their former range and are mostly restricted to mountains. Five subpopulations remain in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, and Washington. Grizzly bears are difficult to survey, but population numbers are thought to be around 600 in the Yellowstone National Park area, 500 in the northwest Montana Rockies, 50 in the Selkirk Mountains of northern Idaho and northeastern Washington, and 30 to 40 in the Cabinet-Yaak area of northern Idaho and western Montana. Probably less than a dozen grizzlies live in the North Cascade Mountains of Washington.
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Re: Lets hope this passes!

Postby MJY65 on Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:48 am

yukonjasper wrote:I wonder if the restoration of wolves back to their original range is even possible. I just think this pollyanna attitude is so naive and childish that it is hard to take seriously. These are people who are in love with the idea of wolves living free anywhere they want, but have no idea what the possible natural consequences are of that idea.


Trying to take natural cycles backwards is exactly what they are trying to do with global warming. They cry about receding glaciers all the time. Would they be happy if all of MN was under a mile of ice? Where's the "ideal" edge of North American glaciation?
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Re: Lets hope this passes!

Postby jdege on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:01 am

yukonjasper wrote:I wonder if the restoration of wolves back to their original range is even possible. I just think this pollyanna attitude is so naive and childish that it is hard to take seriously. These are people who are in love with the idea of wolves living free anywhere they want, but have no idea what the possible natural consequences are of that idea.

All we need to do is to implement the Buffalo Commons.

Nobody really needs to live in the Dakotas or Montana, anyway.
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Lets hope this passes!

Postby INOR on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:12 am

They just put I think four wolves out in isle royale this summer and one of them already died. Was an article just this week about it. I applaud wildlife conservation efforts but they don’t always have success. I love wolves. But the environmentalists and animal activists go too far sometime. They’re not endangered.


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Re: Lets hope this passes!

Postby minnesotatv on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:32 am

Wolf Reintroduction Changes Ecosystem
https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things- ... -ecosystem
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Re: Lets hope this passes!

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