2019 Youth Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 17-20

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2019 Youth Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 17-20

Postby CZscout on Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:54 pm

The license is free for the young kiddos, which is great - gets them out, keeping the tradition going.

https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/hunting/deer/youth.html

Who's going with their kids?
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Re: 2019 Youth Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 17-20

Postby Holland&Holland on Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:04 pm

My kids are too old and the grandkids are too young. Wish we had this when my kids were young.
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Re: 2019 Youth Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 17-20

Postby CZscout on Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:11 pm

My son just got his firearms safety certificate is is pumped about this early season. We also do the "normal" season in Duluth which is a blast because we camp + hunt.

Some folks don't like this early youth season, why would that be?
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Re: 2019 Youth Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 17-20

Postby rtk on Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:41 pm

The early seasons for the youth are wonderful. Do they hurt the regular season, maybe....but it’s worth the trade off in this day and age.
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Re: 2019 Youth Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 17-20

Postby smurfman on Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:55 am

The negative is the added pressure put on bucks at the beginning of the rut phase. It is a point of contention between gun and bow Hunter's but not a significant one due to the limitations (real and perceived) of archery equipment.

The addition of 4 days of firearms hunting in this period will cause angst as some will see it similar to the youth waterfowl season. One group will claim the early pressure will push those deer that are not shot out of public areas or increase wariness or cause the deer to become nocturnal. There are others that will see this as a potential conflict between grouse/pheasant Hunter's and deer Hunter's much like the regular firearms season.

I am leery of this "extra" season for the latter reason. It is in the middle of the prime time for grouse and woodcock which I avidly pursue. It is also the second weekend of the pheasant season which is not much of a factor for me but it is for others. It has been long resolved that bird hunting is put on hiatus during the firearms deer season but this additional firearms hunting during a popular bird hunting time may not be worked out as easily. I know I am not too enamoured with it.
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Re: 2019 Youth Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 17-20

Postby crbutler on Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:06 am

What I suspect is the case is that these “youth seasons” really don’t make a difference with recruitment of hunters.

I suppose one could find a few examples of youth that otherwise would never have hunted take it up due to the exposure, but it’s been my experience that the vast majority of the kids out there on these days are also in hunting families and are out there on opening day as well.

For most, hunting is a shared family experience and how is taking them out without the rest a positive?

Really, it’s about giving the kids a better experience by reducing competition for space.

Folks talk about reduced participation... you can’t tell it by me where I am at. The spots are crowded to the point of inducing bad behavior. Your best hope is private access, and that is either expensive or family only in most cases.

I’ve been hunting in MN for over 40 years, pretty much in the same location. The resource is being over utilized by density, yet the DNR still insists on building numbers. In my experience, the biggest change is the number of days afield is different, with a dramatic reduction in “casual hunters” meaning the old group of go out opening day/weekend only folks is gone.

I don’t have an answer, as without hunters the wilderness goes away, but the current policy isn’t going to increase participation.
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Re: 2019 Youth Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 17-20

Postby Holland&Holland on Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:36 pm

crbutler wrote:What I suspect is the case is that these “youth seasons” really don’t make a difference with recruitment of hunters.

I suppose one could find a few examples of youth that otherwise would never have hunted take it up due to the exposure, but it’s been my experience that the vast majority of the kids out there on these days are also in hunting families and are out there on opening day as well.

For most, hunting is a shared family experience and how is taking them out without the rest a positive?

Really, it’s about giving the kids a better experience by reducing competition for space.

Folks talk about reduced participation... you can’t tell it by me where I am at. The spots are crowded to the point of inducing bad behavior. Your best hope is private access, and that is either expensive or family only in most cases.

I’ve been hunting in MN for over 40 years, pretty much in the same location. The resource is being over utilized by density, yet the DNR still insists on building numbers. In my experience, the biggest change is the number of days afield is different, with a dramatic reduction in “casual hunters” meaning the old group of go out opening day/weekend only folks is gone.

I don’t have an answer, as without hunters the wilderness goes away, but the current policy isn’t going to increase participation.



Sorry but your statements are a bit contradictory. If the days of the opening weekend only hunters are over then how is participation not down?
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Re: 2019 Youth Firearms Deer Season - Oct. 17-20

Postby crbutler on Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:43 pm

There may be fewer folks hunting, but those that do are out every week.

The DNR has some results from the duck hunting license survey. The number of days afield on average was quite high, I was shocked by it. If the average guy who buys a license is spending 10 days afield, what does that tell you?

I can remember the days when I first started. There were a lot more folks out there on opening day. Less than half that the next day. Maybe a twentieth that on the next week. Once pheasant season opened, if there were 2-3 boats out on swan lake it was because the northern flight had come down and was loitering.

I remember seeing 20-30 guys driving a field for deer. Now everyone is putting up stands, and the same area is crowded with 4-5 guys. (I’m not claiming that the diving deer was better, but that there were a pile of folks out back then...) success is better with deer now than in my youth- 4-5 deer out of a day’s drives was doing well)

In essence we have more man/days of hunting now than before.
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