Abolish Slug Zone Label

[Rem700]

YMMV but this is taken from a Box of SST 300gr 12ga

100yds + 2.7"
150yds +0
200yds -6.7"
I dont know what the drop would be at 300yds but not quite mortar like. Without looking at a ballistics chart I am guessing
-20-25" Ooooops closer to -35"

So with something like a scoped Saiga and a 10rd mag I should have a pretty good chance of a deer across a forty.

[yuppiejr]

YMMV but this is taken from a Box of SST 300gr 12ga

100yds + 2.7"
150yds +0
200yds -6.7"
I dont know what the drop would be at 300yds but not quite mortar like. Without looking at a ballistics chart I am guessing
-20-25"

So with something like a scoped Saiga and a 10rd mag I should have a pretty good chance of a deer across a forty.

They make rifled barrels for the 12 ga. Saiga?

The Hornady SST 300 grain 12 gauge 2.75" shells came to mind for me as well, I can't check specifics at work but I thought they were cooking along at something like 2100 FPS out of a 20" rifled slug barrel with a fairly flat trajectory and a particularly aerodynamic projectile. The muzzle blast is wicked out of my 870 Express though and I did not find they patterned consistently enough to use hunting... but I'd love to compare these to the average 150 grain 30-30 out to 200-300 yards.

[Rem700]

I only made reference to the Saiga because of the 10rd mags so I could just dump rounds down range.

The Hornady SST I was getting appx 1.5-2" groups at 100yds and appx 4-5" at 200yds out of a Mossberg 500 which is minute of deer as far as I am concerned. 200yds being about my self imposed limits with these. I found recoil kinda brutal but if hunting not may rounds are getting fired anyway unless I can find a rifled Saiga
I tried various other loadings but this was by far the best load in this shotgun.

[rugersol]

FWIW ...

20ga 250gr SST @1,800fps (muzzle)
50yd: 2.50
100yd: 3.30
150yd: 0.00
200yd: -8.20

[crbutler]

A question for you guys...

Just how do they decide what is a "shotgun" with regards to slug hunting?

It isn't the classic "fires a cartridge with more than 1 projectile" because of slug use (and it would be easy to make a shot capsule for any gun...)

It isn't the shell- because you can get a solid brass shell.

It isn't whether or not the bore is rifled.

It isn't whether or not you can chamber a shotshell and fire it- I have tried to chamber a 2.5" shotshell in a .45-70, and it isn't too hard to force it (although I didn't fire it...)

If it is what is on the gun, you are allowed to restamp a gun when you rechamber it, so what would stop one from buying a rifle, rebarreling it and stamping it .410 1 5/8 inch cartridge only and shooting a rifle? (as in this country, its not illegal to have brass that the headstamp does not match the gun...)

The reason I ask is that with modern sabot slugs, we are not all that far from centerfire rifles anyway (actually have better ballistics than a lot of old BP cartridges), so it seems that someone has already noticed this at the DNR... but they keep the old rule

[Heffay]

Just how do they decide what is a "shotgun" with regards to slug hunting?

It's like pornography. You know it when you see it.

[rugersol]

If it is what is on the gun, you are allowed to restamp a gun when you rechamber it, so what would stop one from buying a rifle, rebarreling it and stamping it .410 1 5/8 inch cartridge only and shooting a rifle? (as in this country, its not illegal to have brass that the headstamp does not match the gun...)

I think you stayed up too late, again ...

Most people ain't like us ... even more, ain't like you ... I'd guess 98% of all deer hunters simply want something off the rack (if not what Grandpa handed down) ... shells, too!

So long as guys like us don't "wave it in their faces", I'd guess the DNR couldn't care less if 2% have figured something else out.

Hell, look at what they did to the pistol regs! ... ".22+ centerfire?!" ... a guy could use a .25 Jennings ... but he won't.

My whole argument is, whaddya pay fer a box of only FIVE sabots?! ... $10 ... $15?! ... and if it's the typical Remington 1100, the gun's $600+ ... fer the same money, a guy could have a .44 Marlin, and shoot it all year 'round ... fer nearly 1/10th the cost in ammo! Even if ya could get rifled slugs to shoot half as well, they'd still cost at least a $1/shell!

Hell! ... call it a "stimulus package!"

[Rem700]

Not sure and not going to go thru the regs to check but I dont think the .410 shotgun is legal in Mn for deer hunting.

[rugersol]

Not sure and not going to go thru the regs to check but I dont think the .410 shotgun is legal in Mn for deer hunting.

I checked a few years back ... was considering the Marlin .410 336 ... only 2.5in, though ... anyhow, I didn't find anything against it ... came across someone once, believe it was at Ahlman's, swore by it.

[crbutler]

My point is a set of punches isn't too expensive, and if all the requirement is that the gun be stamped for a shotgun, and it meets all other requirements (greater than .22 projectile- and centerfire priming) you could hunt deer with any deer rifle anywhere.

[minnesotahunter]

One way around the rule, is to use a pistol. I use an Encore in 7mm 08, and it works great. Takes some practice to get good at shooting it, but now, with a good enough rest, I can group inside 7 inches at 300 yrds all day. With a more powerful scope it is capable of much more.(I only have a 2x6 on it)

Shot this guy last year at 300.



Shot this guy this year. Only 110 yrds, but he was facing me, and all I had was a neck shot. That gun is sooo accurate, I was confident in the shot, and put one right through the white patch under his chin.



On a calm day that pistol will group inside 2 inches no problem at 200yrds with my reloads. And, it's not just me. My little brother has shot that gun almost as much as I have, and can do the same thing.

MN

[h2opumper]

What criteria does the law draw the line between a rifle caliber pistol and a rifle?

[JJ]

MN law defers to ATF law on Handgun/pistol vs Rifle. there is no cartridge restriction.

[Norsesmithy]

What criteria does the law draw the line between a rifle caliber pistol and a rifle?

None, I've got a neighbor that's been using an XP100 to hunt deer in the slug zone for longer than I've been alive.

If it was listed as a pistol on the 4473 (assuming centerfire), you can hunt with it in the slug zone, even if it's in .50 BMG.

[bucktail]

If it was listed as a pistol on the 4473 (assuming centerfire), you can hunt with it in the slug zone, even if it's in .50 BMG.

You sure about that? An encore bought as a pistol could get a new stock and barrel.