Abolish Slug Zone Label

[h2opumper]

I'd like to see the DNR rewrite the area of the state referred to as a slug zone to firearms that shoot a single projectile with muzzle velocities below 2250 fps. That still rule out the 30-30, but would include some of the carbines that are chambered for handgun ammo. One example would be to allow the M77/357 Ruger into the picture for hunting in the southern part of the state. Thoughts???

[JJ]

Open it up to ALL rifles

[goett047]

Open it up to ALL rifles

This ^ It's a much simpler rule. Just as safe as a slug zone, given the hunter does his part.

[Heffay]

Open it up to ALL rifles

This ^ It's a much simpler rule. Just as safe as a slug zone, given the hunter does his part.

I highlighted the assumption for you.

If you have a Savage 220F, the distinction between slug zone and rifle zone is meaningless.

[goett047]

And if the hunter is an inbred moron, slugs are still dangerous

[Norsesmithy]

Open it up to ALL rifles

This ^ It's a much simpler rule. Just as safe as a slug zone, given the hunter does his part.

I highlighted the assumption for you.

If you have a Savage 220F, the distinction between slug zone and rifle zone is meaningless.

For that matter, my slug gun is tickling 2100FPS, so it's not like shotgun slugs are safer than, say heavy bullet loadings for a .30-40 Krag or heavy bullet loadings for .30WCF.

And it's not like I've the fastest slug gun in the west metro.

Can we trace the slug zone restrictions to a statistical realization WRT hunting accidents and rifles in that zone, or was it just a feel good law? Because we need to eliminate "feel good" laws wherever and whenever we can.

"Feels Good" is not a rational basis for good governance.

[h2opumper]

I'll agree with opening it up to all firearms, but beggers can't be choosers. I'd take that option and manufactures would probably accommodate it. One clean shot vs. launching a box of slugs across a plowed field at a running deer. It's already been too newsworthy of a deer season, whatever you shoot, keep safe.

[goett047]

"Feels Good" is not a rational basis for good governance.

This ^

Catering laws to stupid people only breeds more stupid people

[yuppiejr]

I'll never forget the sound of shotgun slugs whizzing in the air above my head 2 years ago while I sat on the edge of CRP land just outside of Dawson with some hick behind me shooting his 12 gauge semi auto UPHILL a section over at a running deer... Dumb is dumb... I suppose with a rifle the poor bastard on the other side of the field I was posting 1500 yards away would have enjoyed a similar experience but I'm not sure the consequences of getting hit would be any less problematic.

[FJ540]

It's a misguided law based on the topographic and land usage of the state which splits from ag plains to hardwood forest along the division. Someone thought slugs don't travel as far as rifle rounds, and designated they be used to protect the people in the distance since there's a lack of hills and thick trees to absorb errant rounds. They obviously didn't think hard enough.

[Heffay]

I thought the slug zones were because farmers didn't want their cows accidentally getting shot. But that's just what I've heard. What's the range difference between a .308 and a 20 gauge slug?

[Holland&Holland]

I'd like to see the DNR rewrite the area of the state referred to as a slug zone to firearms that shoot a single projectile with muzzle velocities below 2250 fps. That still rule out the 30-30, but would include some of the carbines that are chambered for handgun ammo. One example would be to allow the M77/357 Ruger into the picture for hunting in the southern part of the state. Thoughts???

So in essence you would outlaw hunting handguns that shoot rifle rounds? Seems like more regulation than less.

[rugersol]

I'll agree with opening it up to all firearms, but beggers can't be choosers.

... from ... http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-deerhuntguide.pdf (page 6)

Rifles with cartridges that fire a bullet
of .357-inch diameter or larger; have a
minimum case length of 1.16 inches; and
have a maximum case length of 1.625 inches
are legal to use only during the deer firearm
season. Some cartridges legal for deer
hunting include the .357 Magnum, .38-.40
Winchester, .41 Magnum, .41 Special, .44
Magnum, .44 Special, .44-.40 Winchester,
.45 Colt, .454 Casull, .458 SOCOM, .475
Linebaugh, .480 Ruger, .50 Action Express,
and .500 S&W.

IIRC, this has been in effect fer at least a few years ... I wonder how many have needlessly been killed?

... also ...

Handguns for deer hunting: Handguns,
other than muzzle loading, must have a
barrel at least 4 inches long and must fire
a bullet of .243-inch diameter or larger. The
handgun cartridge case, without the bullet,
must be at least 1.16 inches long. Full metaljacketed
bullets are not permitted.
Handguns are not permitted on any military
areas.
Some types of handgun cartridges legal
for deer hunting include .357 Magnum, .41
Magnum, .44 Magnum, .44 Special, .45 Colt,
.45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .35
Remington and .357 Herrett. Some illegal
handgun cartridges for deer hunting are .38
Special, .38 Smith and Wesson, .38 Colt New
Police, .38/200, .38 Long Colt, .38 Super, .38
ACP, .38 Colt Auto, .45 ACP, .45 Automatic
and .45 Auto Rim. All .25/.20, .32/.20 and .30
carbine ammunition is prohibited.

[shooter115]

Those are actually the old regs. Here's what's current. Go to page 58
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/regulations/hunting/2011/full_regs.pdf

But I agree with others, that with todays laws and the performance of modern slugs that there really is no point in a "slug zone".

[rugersol]

Those are actually the old regs. Here's what's current. Go to page 58http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/rlp/regulations/hunting/2011/full_regs.pdf

1st pages says "2011 - 2012" ... ya know they're fer Indiana, right? ... or were ya talkin' to someone else?