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Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby minnesotatv on Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:32 am

FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. (AP) — The National Park Service plans to thin a herd of bison
in the Grand Canyon through roundups and by seeking volunteers who are physically
fit and proficient with a gun to kill the animals that increasingly are damaging park
resources.


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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby Ghost on Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:42 am

That sounds fun. I've hiked it in the snow before, probably make a good vacation.
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Postby OldmanFCSA on Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:55 am

Can't walk it due to my knee injury.

Can I sit up top and use my 50BMG target rifle to drop them (Bison, I Mean) ???

This sounds like an opportunity to some and overkill to others = not sure what my true feelings are about shooting "culls". I mean I used to like to hunt, but they are such a majestic animal that I don't know if I could actually shoot one up close. Sitting a 1/2 to 1 mile away takes some of the reality away and just makes it a TARGET.

Your thoughts .........................................
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby Ghost on Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:25 am

OldmanFCSA wrote:Your thoughts .........................................

With regard to being a majestic animal, somebody is going to kill it (if allowed) so I wouldn't worry about it.

I have always passed on bucks unless they could go on my wall, I'm pretty sure the next guy down the line that saw it shot it or it got hit by a car, live in the moment.
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Postby minnesotatv on Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:38 am

Real good eating.
Bring some back for all of us.
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby FJ540 on Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:39 am

Ghost wrote:
OldmanFCSA wrote:Your thoughts .........................................

With regard to being a majestic animal, somebody is going to kill it (if allowed) so I wouldn't worry about it.

I have always passed on bucks unless they could go on my wall, I'm pretty sure the next guy down the line that saw it shot it or it got hit by a car, live in the moment.


Yearling bucks aren't a loss IMO. If you shoot one, you're only down a growing season and the doe you didn't shoot is going to make 1-2 more next year.

Shoot the doe and you're out 2-3 deer the next season. DNR likes us to thin the herd for the Ag and Auto Insurance industries - that's why everyone gets a tag and they're overly generous in how many does we can take. :(
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby Ghost on Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:20 pm

FJ540 wrote:
Ghost wrote:
OldmanFCSA wrote:Your thoughts .........................................

With regard to being a majestic animal, somebody is going to kill it (if allowed) so I wouldn't worry about it.

I have always passed on bucks unless they could go on my wall, I'm pretty sure the next guy down the line that saw it shot it or it got hit by a car, live in the moment.


Yearling bucks aren't a loss IMO. If you shoot one, you're only down a growing season and the doe you didn't shoot is going to make 1-2 more next year.

Shoot the doe and you're out 2-3 deer the next season. DNR likes us to thin the herd for the Ag and Auto Insurance industries - that's why everyone gets a tag and they're overly generous in how many does we can take. :(

We were working towards population control. I'd fill 15 doe tags a year as we had too many. We counted 86 in a 50 acre field of ours. Drive down the road near where I grew up and you'd easily count a couple hundred deer at dusk. Many years I'd leave my buck tag empty though, by choice.
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby BigDog58 on Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:11 pm

OldmanFCSA wrote:Can't walk it due to my knee injury.

Can I sit up top and use my 50BMG target rifle to drop them (Bison, I Mean) ???

This sounds like an opportunity to some and overkill to others = not sure what my true feelings are about shooting "culls". I mean I used to like to hunt, but they are such a majestic animal that I don't know if I could actually shoot one up close. Sitting a 1/2 to 1 mile away takes some of the reality away and just makes it a TARGET.

Your thoughts .........................................



We could take the 50's out, load up some 750gr Amax. I would only do this if either A- They would let us harvest the meat (my preference) or B- The meat was donated to shelters that feed the hungry.
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby FJ540 on Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:31 pm

Ghost wrote:We were working towards population control. I'd fill 15 doe tags a year as we had too many. We counted 86 in a 50 acre field of ours. Drive down the road near where I grew up and you'd easily count a couple hundred deer at dusk. Many years I'd leave my buck tag empty though, by choice.


We're the other way around. Neighbors see 15 deer in a field at dusk and think the herd needs management, but what they don't account for is the fact there's 40 hunters in the woods and if 50% are successful we have no deer left. :( DNR manages us for 6 deer per square mile when the habitat could easily sustain 4x that (and has 4x that many hunters in it come November), then the neighbors say they'll shoot the does to hopefully get a shot at a trophy when there's no trophies being grown because everyone else shoots the first deer they can for fear of never seeing another deer - but yet we need to manage them because there's too many when they see 15 at a crack.

If I get my bear, I might skip deer season. Hunters Choice my ass!
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby yukonjasper on Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:45 pm

So what calibers at what max distances?
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby Holland&Holland on Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:40 pm

yukonjasper wrote:So what calibers at what max distances?

6.5 grendal at 1000 yards.
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby OldmanFCSA on Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:51 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:
yukonjasper wrote:So what calibers at what max distances?

6.5 grendal at 1000 yards.


6.5 won't get thru the hide at that range.
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby fine ape on Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:55 am

OldmanFCSA wrote:
Holland&Holland wrote:
yukonjasper wrote:So what calibers at what max distances?

6.5 grendal at 1000 yards.


6.5 won't get thru the hide at that range.


45-70 500Gr LRN?
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby crbutler on Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:51 pm

Looks like most of the questions folks placed were answered in the article. The meat will be used, just uncertain if the the hunter would get it.

If I lived near there, I would love to be a part of it.

Bison just are not that wary most of the time. No need for extreme range. I've seen them killed with .270s to .45-70s. If I went, it would be fun to use a sharps replica, or an 1886 in an old buffalo caliber.
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Re: Volunteer shooters to help thin Grand Canyon bison herds

Postby Rodentman on Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:22 pm

I think squirrels are majestic and people shoot them all the time.
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