NEW INDOOR RANGE

[autobahn]

The left has failed misserably with their attack on guns and gun rights. Their next angle of attack has been (and continues to be) to come after lead. I'd skip a place with such restrictions on principle alone.

Why is everything a partisan political battle to you? Can't you argue a point without having to yammer on about the left?

[Bessy]

It will fail. Cost differential istoo great. Most serious range users shoot reloads.

This...

if you are actually looking to attract people. People who will lay down a ton of cash to come in and shoot during winter months, the frangible ammo is going to be an issue.

[bensdad]

The left has failed misserably with their attack on guns and gun rights. Their next angle of attack has been (and continues to be) to come after lead. I'd skip a place with such restrictions on principle alone.

Why is everything a partisan political battle to you? Can't you argue a point without having to yammer on about the left?

Yeah, that's it. It's not you, it's me.

[mmcnx2]

I would not go if I could not shoot my reloads. Also this would rule out 22's wish again would be a deal breaker for me.

In this economy I can't see why anyone would open a business that limited its traffic significantly. Either these guys have more money than they know what to do with, are not active shooters themselves or are from california.

[SAM]

Thank you for your comments gentlemen. I will be meeting again with these people in the near future and the tone here will make a huge difference in their decision to go lead-free or not. I have been arguing for lead for the same reasons posted here. They are trying to save 250,000 dollars. I think this will help alter their course. Thanks again.

[PhilaBOR]

If they're trying to appeal to the "green" crowd, I'm thinkin there might not be a lot of overlap between greens and gunners.

[tman]

The left has failed misserably with their attack on guns and gun rights. Their next angle of attack has been (and continues to be) to come after lead. I'd skip a place with such restrictions on principle alone.

Why is everything a partisan political battle to you? Can't you argue a point without having to yammer on about the left?

What practical reason would the range have to be "lead free", if it were not for the left's position on lead in the first place?

Bensdad just skipped to the heart of the matter, I think.

[autobahn]

The left has failed misserably with their attack on guns and gun rights. Their next angle of attack has been (and continues to be) to come after lead. I'd skip a place with such restrictions on principle alone.

Why is everything a partisan political battle to you? Can't you argue a point without having to yammer on about the left?

What practical reason would the range have to be "lead free", if it were not for the left's position on lead in the first place?

Bensdad just skipped to the heart of the matter, I think.

Lead is an extremely toxic metal. It's pretty easy to see why someone would think going without it would be an attractive idea. But there are ways to mitigate the risk without going "lead free".

It has nothing to do with the "left's position". Do you sit around all day stewing about what the left does to make your life more difficult? I bet you think asbestos is the greatest thing since sliced bread, too. What practical reason does a person have to not cover their house with asbestos insulation? Damn those liberals, banning all that lead paint that poisons children, because they deserved they brain damage they got eating those paint chips!

[Steelheart]

Thank you for your comments gentlemen. I will be meeting again with these people in the near future and the tone here will make a huge difference in their decision to go lead-free or not. I have been arguing for lead for the same reasons posted here. They are trying to save 250,000 dollars. I think this will help alter their course. Thanks again.

Trying to save a quarter million bucks make sense but not at the cost of the business as a whole. If also sounds like they're not shooters (doesn't mean that they aren't gun owners, remember that there is a difference). They can have every degree on the books but if they're not smart enough to actually research and learn their target market they're going to fail.

If they're going to have multiple bays they could try having one bay just lead-free ammo but I doubt it'll get much use overall. And they better have a plan in place to convert it to lead ammo use if the bay just sits there.

Steelheart

[gyrfalcon]

Lead is an extremely toxic metal. It's pretty easy to see why someone would think going without it would be an attractive idea. But there are ways to mitigate the risk without going "lead free"...

Lead exposure can be easily measured and prevented. I don't think lead is "extremely" toxic. You can hold a bar of it in you hand, and it's ill effects are well documented. The cost point of $250k seems pretty high for a lead-free vs lead safe range.

http://www.rangeinfo.org/resource_libra ... d-OSHA.pdf

[cmj685]

Don't one or more of the nationally famous shooting school also have a frangible ammo requirement--I am thinking that it is frontsight right off the top of my head? Anyone know for sure? If so, why that requirement? And is it something mandated by the state or ...?

[xd ED]

Don't one or more of the nationally famous shooting school also have a frangible ammo requirement--I am thinking that it is frontsight right off the top of my head? Anyone know for sure? If so, why that requirement? And is it something mandated by the state or ...?

I've read that about Thunder Ranch. Haven't been to any of the big schools. From my reading, some (Gunsite) have ammo requirements(frangible) depending on the class.

Thunder Ranch has this on the front page of their website:

http://www.thunderranchinc.com/home/index.html
"...THUNDER RANCH IS A FRANGIBLE LEAD FREE RANGE ALL COURSES EXCLUDING MRRC AND H.A.R.T ARE TO BE LEAD FREE FRANGIBLE..."

The only way a lead free indoor range would seem to make economic sense is if perhaps it were located in a large , urban area, with a huge demand for range lanes, and environmental code restrictions.

[xd ED]

Lead is an extremely toxic metal. It's pretty easy to see why someone would think going without it would be an attractive idea. But there are ways to mitigate the risk without going "lead free".

It has nothing to do with the "left's position". Do you sit around all day stewing about what the left does to make your life more difficult? I bet you think asbestos is the greatest thing since sliced bread, too. What practical reason does a person have to not cover their house with asbestos insulation? Damn those liberals, banning all that lead paint that poisons children, because they deserved they brain damage they got eating those paint chips!

Not long ago asbestos shingles were very popular for siding. They remain in place on many houses under various aluminum/ plastic/ steel sidings. A large number of houses in the TC have asbestos pipe wrapping. The problems that occur with asbestos are not found in buildings where it is used. It is/ was the manufacture and installation of asbestos-containing products(and now due to forced removal). Asbestos in a home or other building is a bit like a rattlesnake under a rock: Don't bother it, it likely will not bother you.
So yes, it's a bit like lead- a little bit of expertise in safe handling goes a long way
My apologies for the thread drift.

[Pezhead]

Keep us posted. I have a friend that lives near St. Cloud and this might be a place I could take her shooting.

[RobD]

I've read that about Thunder Ranch. Haven't been to any of the big schools. From my reading, some (Gunsite) have ammo requirements(frangible) depending on the class.

Thunder Ranch has this on the front page of their website:

http://www.thunderranchinc.com/home/index.html
"...THUNDER RANCH IS A FRANGIBLE LEAD FREE RANGE ALL COURSES EXCLUDING MRRC AND H.A.R.T ARE TO BE LEAD FREE FRANGIBLE..."

The only way a lead free indoor range would seem to make economic sense is if perhaps it were located in a large , urban area, with a huge demand for range lanes, and environmental code restrictions.

Thunder ranch is an outdoor range, I can understand the requirement for an outdoor range much easier than an indoor range, as it is significantly harder to try to reclaim the lead.