One final word before the OGC meeting:

[Seismic Sam]

I just wanted to get this point out to everybody reading this, as I may or may not bring this up in my 5 minutes at the meeting.

Politics and conflicts of interest and payoffs aside, this club is in real danger of being closed if those concrete walls go up. The whole purpose, as stated in the permit approved by the Lake Elmo city council,is NOISE ABATEMENT, and the current project will do exactly the OPPOSITE. If you put 12' high poured concrete walls down both sides of the 100, you will be swapping out 7200 square feet of berm, trees, tires, and dirt (which are pretty good sound absorbers) for THE material which has the highest sound reflectivity possible. While I rarely use this figure on the record, it is a 100.00% chance that the sound level at OGC will increase SIGNIFICANTLY. Unfortunately, I can't give you a hard number for the actual increase, but my guess is a 2x to 3x increase on and around the property, which is probably going to get the attention of the neighbors. The real make-or-break test will be the pre-hunting season days next year, with all the benches on the 100 going at once. At that time, my guesstimate is that that there's a 60% to 80% chance that the neighbors will go to the Lake Elmo council and complain, and we'll get shut down. The deed to the property is already in the hands of the loan company who loaned us the money for this project, and with the club closed there's no way to pay back the loan, so forclosure is inevitable.

If we get to the point of trying to do something about this, I would reccomend that we get a consultant with current credentials and the ability to come up with a hard number for the % noise increase, but that' still wishful thinking at this point. Please reach out to all the fellow members you know, and let them know about the danger the club is facing as a result of this supposed "improvement".

Best regards,

Sam Netherly

[rottenit]

Not sure if you read this:

http://www.soundfighter.com/pdf/Absorpt ... rriers.pdf

[EAJuggalo]

Any chance of getting something inserted into the bylaws that any mortgage of the property must be authorized by 50%+1 of the general membership. Not just those that can or do attend the monthly membership meetings? This is news to me that a mortgage has been signed and the deed is no longer held by the club. It's safe to say I'll be arriving early tomorrow morning, requesting to view the financial info and the bylaws long before the meeting starts.

[bstrawse]

Any chance of getting something inserted into the bylaws that any mortgage of the property must be authorized by 50%+1 of the general membership. Not just those that can or do attend the monthly membership meetings? This is news to me that a mortgage has been signed and the deed is no longer held by the club. It's safe to say I'll be arriving early tomorrow morning, requesting to view the financial info and the bylaws long before the meeting starts.

I haven't heard anything about a mortgage being signed - I think that's an assumption that's being made right now for lack of other information from the board.

b

[OldmanFCSA]

Go Sam Go,
Go Sam Go,
Go Sam Go,
Go Sam Go,
Go Sam Go,
Go Sam Go,

You can use my vote by proxy, but as a "new" member, my vote doesn't count, only my membership money does.

Go Sam Go,
Go Sam Go,
Go Sam Go,
Go Sam Go,

and RTFM

Recognize
The
Finest
Members

.............. those of us that CARE about the Future of OGC.

I am unable to attend due to scheduled reloading classes on Saturday morning. Sorry.

Classes for two from Lindstrom today.
Four from StPaul on Saturday.
One neighbor on Sunday afternoon. 300WSM only.
One from Richfield on Monday.

And WE ARE HAVING FUN learning to reload - I'm learning too. (Won't repeat what I'm learning.)

[rugersol]

... new espresso machine, Oldman?!

[OldmanFCSA]

... new espresso machine, Oldman?!

Don't drink coffee, but am re-learning patience, and how to "teach" again. Every student is different, some require a 2X4.

[rugersol]

some require a 2X4.

with, 'er without nails?!

[plblark]

some require a 2X4.

with, 'er without nails?!

different tools for different jobs ... (Thanks for not using the nails, rugersol!)

[rugersol]

(Thanks for not using the nails, rugersol!)

... nothin' a good piece of hickory couldn't solve!

[Seismic Sam]

Not sure if you read this:

http://www.soundfighter.com/pdf/Absorptive_versus_Reflective_Noise_Barriers.pdf

Read it no, learned all about it years ago, yes. The diagram of noise coming over a wall and refracting down to a person below the wall's level is outstanding and every club member should look at it! Also, the diagram of a truck between two walls and the noise just bouncing back and forth until it gets out is dead on, and an 18 wheeler is relatively quiet compared to your average 30 caliber and up hunting rifle.

[bstrawse]

Washington County property records show the club's real estate being currently titled in the name of the club - not any third party or bank.

[sawgrass]

I just wanted to get this point out to everybody reading this, as I may or may not bring this up in my 5 minutes at the meeting.

The deed to the property is already in the hands of the loan company who loaned us the money for this project, and with the club closed there's no way to pay back the loan, so forclosure is inevitable.
Best regards,
Sam Netherly

Washington County property records show the club's real estate being currently titled in the name of the club - not any third party or bank.

Tom can you provide us with some clarification BEFORE it's time to vote?
Thanks.

[ttousi]

I have been kept in the dark on the project.........not seen any paperwork or been involved in any private sessions....sorry no info

[Vlad]

At Isanti County Sportman's Club we installed walls to help with the noise. Think of a six foot high wooden fence with a blanket in the middle.

. I believe we even received some matching funds from the DNR...