Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:55 am

westhope wrote:The latest executive order 20-33 specifically list gun clubs and ranges to be closed.

Only clubs which offer "public accommodation" ie, offer access to the club to the public. Private, or members only clubs can remain open to their members.

Executive Order 20-04

places of public accommodation:

5. For purposes of this Executive Order, "place of public accommodation" means a business, or an educational, refreshment, entertainment, or recreation facility, or an institution of any kind, whether licensed or not, whose goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, or accommodations are extended, offered, sold, or otherwise made available to the public.
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby Holland&Holland on Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:08 am

Exactly. Of course if you have met our board members it makes sense. They don’t exactly have the ability to look beyond their own egos.
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby westhope on Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:57 am

Executive Order 20-33 section 6.o.ii

ii. Workers supporting licensed businesses that sell or service firearms,
pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 624.7192. Gun ranges
and clubs must remain closed pursuant to Executive Orders 20-04, 20-
18, and this Executive Order.


This executive order is worded slightly different than the previous orders concerning gun ranges.
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby Rip Van Winkle on Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:58 am

westhope wrote:Executive Order 20-33 section 6.o.ii

Gun ranges and clubs must remain closed pursuant to Executive Orders 20-04, 20-
18, and this Executive Order.


This executive order is worded slightly different than the previous orders concerning gun ranges.

In other words, Gun Ranges/Clubs with "public accommodation" (open to the public) must remain closed.
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby xd ED on Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:15 am

westhope wrote:Executive Order 20-33 section 6.o.ii

ii. Workers supporting licensed businesses that sell or service firearms,
pursuant to Minnesota Statutes 2019, section 624.7192. Gun ranges
and clubs must remain closed pursuant to Executive Orders 20-04, 20-
18, and this Executive Order.


This executive order is worded slightly different than the previous orders concerning gun ranges.


Neither previous orders specifically mention gun clubs:


To assume OGC is governed by these orders, one must first infer that a private gun range such as OGC, which is completely fenced, and accessible only by previously acquired membership is a public accommodation.
According to 20 04:
1. Beginning no later than March 17, 2020 at 5:00 pm, and continuing until March 27, 2020 at 5:00 pm, the following places of public accommodation are closed to ingress, egress, use, and occupancy by members of the public: • (Emphasis mine)
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g. Country clubs, golf clubs, boating or yacht clubs, sports or athletic clubs, and dining clubs.


The orders of 20 18 appear irrelevant to the argument, and are brief enough to be copied in full:
1. The closure of bars, restaurants, and other public accommodations set forth in Executive Orders 20-04 and 20-08 is extended until May 1, 2020 at 5:00 pm.
2. The first sentence of paragraph 1 of Executive Order 20-04 is amended by the following additions (indicated by underlined text) and deletions (indicated by strikethroughs):
1
Beginning no later than March 17, 2020 at 5:00 pm, and continuing until March 27 May 1, 2020 at 5:00 pm, the following places of public accommodation are closed to ingress, egress, use, and occupancy by members of the public:
3. I further direct and clarify that places of public accommodation, which would otherwise be ordered closed, may stay open if they have been repurposed to exclusively provide services permitted under Paragraph 4 of Executive Order 20-04. For example, a gymnasium that has been repurposed to provide child care services is authorized to provide those essential services, subject to relevant licensing and other requirements, as well as applicable Minnesota Department of Health guidelines.
4. All other provisions of Executive Order 20-04 remain in effect, including the amendment made by Executive Order 20-08.


The previously referenced 20 04 is also brief enough that the relevant text can be included in its entirety:

1. Paragraph 1.e. of Executive Order 20-04 is amended by the following additions (indicated by underlined text) and deletions (indicated by strikethroughs):
Gymnasiums, fitness centers, recreation centers, indoor sports facilities, indoor exercise facilities, exercise studios, and spas tanning establishments, body art establishments, tattoo parlors, piercing parlors, businesses offering massage therapy or similar body work, spas, salons, nail salons, cosmetology salons, esthetician salons, advanced practice esthetician salons, eyelash salons, and barber shops. This includes, but is not limited to, all salons and shops licensed by the Minnesota Board of Cosmetologist Examiners and the Minnesota Board of Barber Examiners.
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby xd ED on Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:16 am

Rip Van Winkle wrote:
westhope wrote:Executive Order 20-33 section 6.o.ii

Gun ranges and clubs must remain closed pursuant to Executive Orders 20-04, 20-
18, and this Executive Order.


This executive order is worded slightly different than the previous orders concerning gun ranges.

In other words, Gun Ranges/Clubs with "public accommodation" (open to the public) must remain closed.


^^^THIS^^^

At the very least there's an argument to be made before folding.
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby yukonjasper on Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:20 am

It is one thing to have an argument, it's quite another to have someone willing to argue.....
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby Holland&Holland on Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:27 am

yukonjasper wrote:It is one thing to have an argument, it's quite another to have someone willing to argue.....

No argument needed. It is not open to the public. All they had to do was do nothing. Private effen property.
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby mc762x54R on Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:42 pm

Holland&Holland wrote:
yukonjasper wrote:It is one thing to have an argument, it's quite another to have someone willing to argue.....

No argument needed. It is not open to the public. All they had to do was do nothing. Private effen property.


So is there any way to politely deliver this argument to the board?
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Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby dismal on Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:46 pm

Not specific to OGC, but this article has a few websites that are taking suggestions..


https://www.postbulletin.com/news/busin ... ed56d.html
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby bstrawse on Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:06 pm

MN DEED has a clarifications document explaining the executive order in more detail that includes gun ranges as being closed.

Document
https://mn.gov/deed/assets/critical-wor ... 425195.pdf

Relevant section:
"Workers supporting licensed businesses that sell or service firearms pursuant to Minnesota Statutes, section 624.7192. Gun ranges and clubs should remain closed pursuant to Executive Orders 20-04 and 20-18."

The MN Gun Owners Caucus has been challenging this w/ DEED and the Governor's Office - we'll have a call to action out on Friday about this.

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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby mc762x54R on Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:20 am

https://kstp.com/coronavirus/gov-tim-wa ... ok_KSTP-TV
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The order allows for Minnesotans to take part in golfing, boating, fishing, hunting and hiking while following social distancing guidelines. "


Please tell me they will see this and open the damn club
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby xd ED on Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:23 am

mc762x54R wrote:https://kstp.com/coronavirus/gov-tim-walz-announces-expansion-of-outdoor-recreation-amid-covid-19-pandemic-/5703049/?cat=1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KSTP-TV
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The order allows for Minnesotans to take part in golfing, boating, fishing, hunting and hiking while following social distancing guidelines. "


Please tell me they will see this and open the damn club



Walz's decision also allows a number of businesses to reopen, including golf courses and driving ranges, bait shops, outdoor shooting ranges and boating services.


That should settle it.
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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby mc762x54R on Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:26 am

BREAKING - Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz's executive order allows outdoor golf driving ranges, bait shops, shooting ranges and marinas to reopen.

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Re: Oakdale Gun Club "OGC" Closure

Postby BigBlue on Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:40 am

Great, Gov. Putz is graciously 'allowing' these to re-open.
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