Has Anyone Heard of Instructor Aron Lambrecht?

[Stradawhovious]

As for the Conceal carry portion, anyone who has ever gone through a Carry permit class, knows this is all based on the original legislature for what they called the Concealed Carry laws, also, being an approved instructor of other forms, The state board of private detective still requires that security officers must attend a Conceal Carry permit class. Thus this is why it is refered to as the Conceal "carry" course, also. for anyone who is that up on myspace, look at my last date of log in. Im not a avid myspacer

Wow, for someone who is trying to market their class to a new audience, you certainly are snarky.

[macphisto]

Congratulations on meeting the BCA's extremely lax standards! Maybe I'll go become a certified organization over my lunch break.

Just because the State says you can certify instructors and train students doesn't mean your training is any good. I'm not saying it's bad, but I have my doubts.

[gtc]

your perfectly right, but once again ignorance of the laws on your behalf is not my issue. I teach what i am required to teach, and then toss in a few things of my own, I make sure students understand about brandishing, and the difference between open carry and concealed carry.

[gtc]

your right and im not saying that i am the best teacher out there, i cover what i am told i have to cover and then some. As for stupidity of permit holders, that is not my fault, especially when for 1 they didnt go through my course, I give all students a copy of current 624. state statute laws that way they can research things themselves, i point out the flaws and loopholes in the laws.

[phorvick]

Aron....none of my business what you do, how you post, what you post, how or what you teach. Makes no nevermind to me. However, if you don't mind reading unsolicited commentary/advice from a certified Olde Pharte...well...here is some.

My guess is that you do not know many, if any, of the many folks here on this forum.... that is not a criticism....just an observation. Many many folks here have credentials that are miles long...military...law enforcement....shooting sports...legal...long time instructors etc. It is probably not a good idea, in my opinion, to have as your first introduction to them one of "perceived" arrogance (it is the way your posts come across...might be 100% not your personality, but it is the way it comes across. And, of course, mine probably comes across as condescending!)

I read your recent post as stating that "I must be good because I was approved." That may be a terrrible reading of your post, but that is what I get out of it. And, that idea is, if you excuse my bluntness, silly. I personally know many instructors that are on the BCA list as approved, that although great guys, are horrible teachers. They know their stuff, but cannot put together an interesting, thoughtful, curriculum. Being BCA approved and $1.25 will get you a Pepsi and that is about it.

One thing that most, if not all, instructors do on this forum is have an open invitation to all other instructors to attend their class...no c harge....as a way to learn from one another. I would be most happy to attend your class on that basis...and you mine. I am sure that there are things that I can learn...we can all learn from one another.

My advice is to work hard, do a great job, and....I am sure we will all benefit.
My advice to the moderators is that this thread is dangerously close to getting completely out of hand...and should possibly consider ending it. Or not.

Welcome.
PDH

[macphisto]

your perfectly right, but once again ignorance of the laws on your behalf is not my issue. I teach what i am required to teach, and then toss in a few things of my own, I make sure students understand about brandishing, and the difference between open carry and concealed carry.

your right and im not saying that i am the best teacher out there, i cover what i am told i have to cover and then some. As for stupidity of permit holders, that is not my fault, especially when for 1 they didnt go through my course, I give all students a copy of current 624. state statute laws that way they can research things themselves, i point out the flaws and loopholes in the laws.

Perhaps you should reread it and then tell us where it contains the words conceal or concealed (hint: it doesn't).

https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/sta ... id=624.714

[phorvick]

As for the Conceal carry portion, anyone who has ever gone through a Carry permit class, knows this is all based on the original legislature for what they called the Concealed Carry laws, also, being an approved instructor of other forms, The state board of private detective still requires that security officers must attend a Conceal Carry permit class. Thus this is why it is refered to as the Conceal "carry" course,

I think Joe Olson would disagree. The word "concealed" is not in the statute for very good reasons.

[gtc]

PDH,

I do thank you for your thoughts and advice, I at no time attempted to come off the way I did, but was floored at the commetns that were made about not only my business, but myself, from those who have never even attended my course, I do open up any and all classes of mine to fellow instructors. I myself before applying to become an approved business sat in 7 yes 7 other classes, seeing what i liked and did not like about other instructors/teaching method. I dont show videos of my accomplishments or talk up how great i can shoot. I simply keep it to the numbers and teach what the bca approved in my ciriculum for me to teach. I know I am not the greatest teacher out there, nor am i just starting to the venture into the Carry training world, I have been approved by the BCA since 06, and have been teaching ever since then. I never posted or read any forums as much of the info never pertained to me, or how i taught.
Aron

[gtc]

the reason many still continue to call it the conceal carry course, is because it covers conceal carry in states other than MN, please go ahead and do your own research, and look into other states, where the mn carry class is offered reciprocity with those states conceal carry laws

[ttousi]

My advice to the moderators is that this thread is dangerously close to getting completely out of hand...and should possibly consider ending it. Or not.

I would suggest that all take a deep breath or two and move on...........Aron you may want to spend some time with the search function and review some of the past threads on the "conceal" terminology.

.02

[phorvick]

the reason many still continue to call it the conceal carry course, is because it covers conceal carry in states other than MN, please go ahead and do your own research, and look into other states, where the mn carry class is offered reciprocity with those states conceal carry laws

Aron,...again, more unsolicited advice. It is worth at least $.02.

You won't find anyone here (I don't think) that would agree with that above assessment. Instead, they (we.."I"..) would state that it is called that due to instructor and public ignorance. Concealed is not a part of our law, for a very good reason...we had a group of superb folks...lawyers...lobbyists...gun rights activists...that kept the word out of the statute. We owe them (and Professor Olson is one of the biggies) a huge "thanks" for that. It has nothing....nada....zilch...to do with reciprocity issues. We offer "Permit to Carry Classes"..... not "Concealed Carry Classes".... and that distinction is very very important to many many people.

[mnglocker]

the reason many still continue to call it the conceal carry course, is because it covers conceal carry in states other than MN, please go ahead and do your own research, and look into other states, where the mn carry class is offered reciprocity with those states conceal carry laws

I've sat back and watched this **** fest fly into the fan for while.


Aron, Lines like the one bolded above will rub alot of the folks here wrong. I've met and know many of these folks personally, they're all top notch and for the most part very well versed in Minnesota's and often other states' carry laws.

I'm sure you offer an execellent course yourself, because who other than gun nuts/liberty nuts would make a business out of teaching folks the ins and outs of toting a rosco?

On this board you will find some of the folks who wrote that law, so please take that into consideration.

Also, the board members from MnGunTalk and TCC often have little gatherings that end up being alot of fun and I'm extending an invitation to these gatherings. The next big one I'm aware of is the Open Carry Breakfast at The "Effen" Gopher Bar in St.Paul. You should come, bring the misses and any other instructors/gun nuts you know. It's a good time had by all, and the heart burn from the coney dogs is to die for.

[macphisto]

the reason many still continue to call it the conceal carry course, is because it covers conceal carry in states other than MN, please go ahead and do your own research, and look into other states, where the mn carry class is offered reciprocity with those states conceal carry laws

Sure, but you're teaching Minnesotans in Minnesota! The term "conceal carry" doesn't even make sense. It's "concealed carry," where applicable, but not in Minnesota. My permit says PERMIT TO CARRY A PISTOL. What does yours say?

I don't need to be here. You're doing a fine job proving yourself incompetent.

[hammAR]

the reason many still continue to call it the conceal carry course, is because it covers conceal carry in states other than MN, please go ahead and do your own research, and look into other states, where the mn carry class is offered reciprocity with those states conceal carry laws

Sure, but you're teaching Minnesotans in Minnesota! The term "conceal carry" doesn't even make sense. It's "concealed carry," where applicable, but not in Minnesota. My permit says PERMIT TO CARRY A PISTOL. What does yours say?

I don't need to be here. You're doing a fine job proving yourself incompetent.

MAC, put a cap on it, others are attempting to explain and attempting deescalation.................

[nyffman]

Good idea, like MNGlocker said. Actually meet some of us. Breakfast on the 2nd Saturday of the month, Dec 13 at Denny's in Maplewood. Watch "Other Events". I'm not sure why this thread took the tone it did? I understand the importance of proper training, in that problems with comprehension of the law can quite likely lead to negative scrutiny and changes in the law. But, the fact that Aron is willing to exchange ideas here is a positive thing. Some of these snarky, negative comments are nothing but self serving drivel. Maybe the recent political developements have us on edge. Other than that, I wont comment on anyone's motivation at this point. Be an adult and let the guy participate.