Question for Utah Instructors

[Rand McNally]

Good morning everyone.

I have been thinking about becoming an instructor for Utah. Is there anyone local who does instructor training or do I have to go to Utah to get it?

[IDPA Shooter]

You must reserve a spot and travel to UT.

Class is Ok, costs just $25, and is just 4 hrs long. Figure on about $700 to fly down, stay overnight and fly back.

Instructors need to be recertified every 3 years.

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[phorvick]

And, although once a good thing to have, is now much less so, as there are better alternatives for most folks...and that is the AZ permit. Requires no class...just the MN permit, prints, and application fee.

I will not be renewing my Utah certification. Just is not worth it anymore. I cannot in good conscience charge for a Utah class when the AZ is arguably as good or better with no class needed.

[cobb]

I agree AZ is better deal for the first time, maybe depending on needs, but if a person plans to carry under another state's permit for several years, Utah is the best deal in some cases. Now this does depend on a persons needs, like if you are going to Florida and want to carry, you will need a Florida permit.

For Utah I charge $40 if a person has gone through my Minnesota class and $75 to $100 if not.

So for an Arizona permit over 15 years will cost approximately $200. A Florida is a 7 year permit, so over 14 years will cost approximately $280. A Utah with the training fee of $40 will be approximately $175 over 17 years, so cheaper than the other two. For 20 years, AZ approx. $265, FL approx $420 (21 yrs) and Utah approx $200. So even if a person paid $100 for their Utah training, the Utah permit over 20 years would cost approximately $260.

Many things to take into consideration, I mentioned carry in Florida a Minnesota resident needs a Florida permit. Nevada does not recognize Minnesota, Utah or Florida, but they do recognize an Arizona.

So depending on what states a person needs or even the duration that a person plans to carry under another state's permit, they need to explore the options to fit their needs.

Also the prices I put out are approximates. You need a passport picture for Utah and Florida and get finger printed for all three, so prices will vary depending on what a person is charged for a photo and printing.

Edited to correct Nevada recognizing Arizona, information that changed March 1st, 2013.
http://www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/Doc ... nition.pdf

[Rand McNally]

Thanks, everyone for the info! Looks like AZ will get most states people have been asking for and carries no additional class requirements.

According to Handgunlaw.us, Nevada does not recognize Arizona permits.

[cobb]

According to Handgunlaw.us, Nevada does not recognize Arizona permits.

You are right, it changed March 1st, 2013, but do not go by the Handgunlaw.us info, it is listed both ways on their web site.
Like here. http://www.handgunlaw.us/LicMaps/ccwmap.php
And here it says it does not. http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/nevada.pdf

Here is the correct info as of March 1st, 2013.
http://www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/Doc ... nition.pdf
So again, you are correct, Nevada does not recognize Arizona but it still does recognize Utah.

[GunClasses.Net]

I agree AZ is better deal for the first time, maybe depending on needs, but if a person plans to carry under another state's permit for several years, Utah is the best deal in some cases.

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So for an Arizona permit over 15 years will cost approximately $200. A Florida is a 7 year permit, so over 14 years will cost approximately $280. A Utah with the training fee of $40 will be approximately $175 over 17 years, so cheaper than the other two. For 20 years, AZ approx. $265, FL approx $420 (21 yrs) and Utah approx $200. So even if a person paid $100 for their Utah training, the Utah permit over 20 years would cost approximately $260.

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Also the prices I put out are approximates. ...

True, AND, these are CURRENT renewal prices. Granted, that is all we have to go on at this time, but there is simply no guarantee that the fees will, on someone's future renewal date, be stable over that time. I believe that many states are now looking at increasing their prices on firearms-related regulation. What a particular renewal fee will in fact be in 5 or 7 years, or 15 or 20 years, is probably not very predictable, in my opinion (not at least in the volatility of the current climate). I would consider renewal pricing to be less important when looking at which state to pick up in addition to MN, assuming the 24 states that a MN permit give isn't enough.

[cobb]

I agree AZ is better deal for the first time, maybe depending on needs, but if a person plans to carry under another state's permit for several years, Utah is the best deal in some cases.

...

So for an Arizona permit over 15 years will cost approximately $200. A Florida is a 7 year permit, so over 14 years will cost approximately $280. A Utah with the training fee of $40 will be approximately $175 over 17 years, so cheaper than the other two. For 20 years, AZ approx. $265, FL approx $420 (21 yrs) and Utah approx $200. So even if a person paid $100 for their Utah training, the Utah permit over 20 years would cost approximately $260.

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Also the prices I put out are approximates. ...

True, AND, these are CURRENT renewal prices. Granted, that is all we have to go on at this time, but there is simply no guarantee that the fees will, on someone's future renewal date, be stable over that time. I believe that many states are now looking at increasing their prices on firearms-related regulation. What a particular renewal fee will in fact be in 3 or 5 or 7 years is probably not very predictable, in my opinion (not at least in the volatility of the current climate). I would consider renewal pricing to be less important when looking at which state to pick up in addition to MN, assuming the 24 states that a MN permit give isn't enough.

I fully agree. Same as what happened with New Hampshire, was cheap, like $20 non-resident fee for 4 years, recognized by several more states than Minnesota, including North Dakota recognition and then they changed the price to $100, then not such a deal. Pennsylvania was another good one, $26.50 for a non-resident 5 year, recognized by more states than Minnesota, recognized by North Dakota, but then they change the application procees which required a person to apply in person in Pennsylvania, again not very attractive after that change. So as you say, my info was based on CURRENT prices, I cannot and you cannot know what the prices will be 5-7 years in the future so I based my info on the info I had, current info.

The reason I point this out is because there are instructors that will flat out bash the Utah option. I assume they do so because they are not Utah certified and don't want to loose a person as a student because that person goes to an instructor that is Utah certified. I am Utah certified, have been for about 8 years now and I still talk people out of taking my Utah class and steer them to another permit that fits their needs better. It seems like a Utah permit is a buzz word in many circles, if you want more state recognition to carry, you need a Utah they think, which isn't true in many cases. A few years ago when Utah was the permit to have, I talked 9 people in a row out of Utah and they went with a Florida or Arizona instead, again, it fit their needs at that time.

[GunClasses.Net]

I agree AZ is better deal for the first time, maybe depending on needs, but if a person plans to carry under another state's permit for several years, Utah is the best deal in some cases.

...

So for an Arizona permit over 15 years will cost approximately $200. A Florida is a 7 year permit, so over 14 years will cost approximately $280. A Utah with the training fee of $40 will be approximately $175 over 17 years, so cheaper than the other two. For 20 years, AZ approx. $265, FL approx $420 (21 yrs) and Utah approx $200. So even if a person paid $100 for their Utah training, the Utah permit over 20 years would cost approximately $260.

...

Also the prices I put out are approximates. ...

True, AND, these are CURRENT renewal prices. Granted, that is all we have to go on at this time, but there is simply no guarantee that the fees will, on someone's future renewal date, be stable over that time. I believe that many states are now looking at increasing their prices on firearms-related regulation. What a particular renewal fee will in fact be in 3 or 5 or 7 years is probably not very predictable, in my opinion (not at least in the volatility of the current climate). I would consider renewal pricing to be less important when looking at which state to pick up in addition to MN, assuming the 24 states that a MN permit give isn't enough.

I fully agree. Same as what happened with New Hampshire, was cheap, like $20 non-resident fee for 4 years, recognized by several more states than Minnesota, including North Dakota recognition and then they changed the price to $100, then not such a deal. Pennsylvania was another good one, $26.50 for a non-resident 5 year, recognized by more states than Minnesota, recognized by North Dakota, but then they change the application procees which required a person to apply in person in Pennsylvania, again not very attractive after that change. So as you say, my info was based on CURRENT prices, I cannot and you cannot know what the prices will be 5-7 years in the future so I based my info on the info I had, current info.

The reason I point this out is because there are instructors that will flat out bash the Utah option. I assume they do so because they are not Utah certified and don't want to loose a person as a student because that person goes to an instructor that is Utah certified. I am Utah certified, have been for about 8 years now and I still talk people out of taking my Utah class and steer them to another permit that fits their needs better. It seems like a Utah permit is a buzz word in many circles, if you want more state recognition to carry, you need a Utah they think, which isn't true in many cases. A few years ago when Utah was the permit to have, I talked 9 people in a row out of Utah and they went with a Florida or Arizona instead, again, it fit their needs at that time.

I like your approach to find the best permit to fit the person's needs. I don't know that always happens; as you pointed out, I've wondered if some may 'bash' a permit because they don't have it -- because students have said "I've heard state x is 'the way to go'?", but they haven't an understanding of what the differences are. So it kind of reminds me of an advisor who pushes a mutual fund as "the fund to go with" versus an advisor who learns his client's needs and then matches the fund to those needs - and recommends perhaps not the 'house' fund he gets paid the most on... Anyway, Cobb, kudos for how you give customer service (not the first time I've heard positive things about you). I'm NOT Utah certified (I do MN and can do FL and bring up AZ, as appropriate), so if I find a student for whom Utah truly IS the best option, I'll most happily give them your info.

[cobb]

.... -- because students have said "I've heard state x is 'the way to go'?", but they haven't an understanding of what the differences are.

Exactly!