Support H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Ac

[americos]

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/! ... hank-you=p

[Rotary12]

I got this from Dudley Brown:

Last week I told you some well-meaning, but in my opinion very misguided pro-gunners are working to pass a bill that could turn into a Trojan Horse for more gun control.

I was talking about H.R. 822, the so-called “National Reciprocity Act,” which could open the flood gates of gun control.

I'm not sure I see his point on this. To me this bill looks like having all the states accept each others carry permits, just like they do drivers licenses.

Here is a link to the bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.822:#

[jweiss]

Read the bill, don't see where it opens up any gun control issues as it looks pretty straight forward as a reciprocity act.

[JJ]

Read the bill, don't see where it opens up any gun control issues as it looks pretty straight forward as a reciprocity act.

Still tramples on States Rights...

[Rotary12]

Read the bill, don't see where it opens up any gun control issues as it looks pretty straight forward as a reciprocity act.

Still tramples on States Rights...

You could say the same for drivers licenses and marriage licenses too.

[JJ]

Read the bill, don't see where it opens up any gun control issues as it looks pretty straight forward as a reciprocity act.

Still tramples on States Rights...

You could say the same for drivers licenses and marriage licenses too.

And your point would be...?

[Rotary12]

If my drivers license is good in other states, then why isn't my carry permit?

[mrp]

If my drivers license is good in other states, then why isn't my carry permit?

Because the only reason your driver's license is good in other states is because the states have agreed to honor each other's driver's licenses. The states have voluntarily entered into compacts and agreements with each other. It isn't a federal thing. The NRA isn't so stupid as to not realize this, but they are apparently unethical enough to put forth bogus arguments knowing that they're full of crap.

[Rotary12]

Good point. So let's get the states in line so the fed doesn't need to intervene.

[John S.]

Yeah, like THAT's gonna happen in the near future!

[gyrfalcon]

"...One of the first memes is this butchers states rights. That would be true if this bill were based solely on the commerce power of Congress, but it is largely based on Congress’ 14th Amendment power to pass legislation to protect Constitutional rights. There is a very strong case to be made that post Heller and McDonald, Congress has a power to protect the right to bear arms. There is also a case to be made on Congress’ power to legislate Full Faith and Credit."

[cobb]

Some states have, over a dozen recognizes other states permits. If the law would change in Minnesota that we recognized all other states permits, the recognition of a Minnesota permit to carry would most likely increase. Check out Colorado, which does not recognize Minnesota, but does recognize all the states that have recognition of other states permits. The one exception to that is Vermont and I have no clue why, but Colorado recognizes all of the others. If I remember right, it took less than 3 months for Colorado to recognize Iowa permits after their new law was passed, again Iowa recognizes all other issuing states.

So the big push for recognition or reciprocity needs to start right here at home at the state level.

[Dick Unger]

The problem with this national strategy is, that a "national law" on carry permits will probably morph into other areas of gun law. For example, it might be "improved" by a ban on large magazines, or carry into bars, or sporting events, or large cities, or other areas with a "local option" clause, etc. This is an NRA idea.

Gunnies have been winning in virtually all of the rural states, there could be a lot to lose in the national arena. And it's pretty tough to change national policy after you lose there.

The NRA, being a national organization, of course, likes to work in Washington. In the other 50 states, it's a part time deal.

The NRA didn't get the carry laws passed in the states, grass roots local organizations did the work. And the NRA didn't accomplish the SCOTUS decisions either. Not to dis the NRA, but they feel free to do their own thing, without asking the rest of us for anything but money, which they use to finance a pretty comfortable Washington insider lifestyle.

If I was a lobbist for Brady, I'd probably support a "national standard", and expand on the idea with other "common sense" ****....

[911scanner]

If my drivers license is good in other states, then why isn't my carry permit?

Because the only reason your driver's license is good in other states is because the states have agreed to honor each other's driver's licenses. The states have voluntarily entered into compacts and agreements with each other. It isn't a federal thing. The NRA isn't so stupid as to not realize this, but they are apparently unethical enough to put forth bogus arguments knowing that they're full of crap.

But remember, when the states chose to do this, political bickering was not the name of the game at the time.

Had it been, it never woulda happened.

Just sayin'....

[futbol79]

What has the FEDs ever done anything right? I don't want to loose what rights I already have by allowing the LYING government to get their grubby hands my permit.

Remember - PASS THE BILL AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO READ IT>>>
Or all of the unknowns that are surfacing that are buried in the OBAMACARE bill.

For me - Leave it alone. I will never be traveling to all of these states anyway - I have permits to allow me to carry in the states I want.