The racist Ron Paul... wait, no.

View · by **illbits** on Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:46 pm

S.A. wrote:
illbits wrote:I would argue that it was the GOP establishment that prevented Johnson from gaining momentum.

The same way the GOP establishment is preventing Paul from gaining momentum? Or is it more likely that there was only enough oxygen for one libertarian-ish candiate?

Well, JOHNSON seems to believe it was the establishment. For someone advocating for a politician I would think you might be more familiar with his own statements. Or are you just hell bent on anyone but the RACIST Ron Paul???

View · by **tweener** on Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:33 am

http://www.fox19.com/story/16458700/rea ... ewsletters

Racist Newsletter Writer revealed....and he works for FOX.

View · by **illbits** on Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:45 am

S.A. wrote:The same way the GOP establishment is preventing Paul from gaining momentum? Or is it more likely that there was only enough oxygen for one libertarian-ish candiate?

Ron Paul is gaining momentum in spite of the MSM.

View · by **infidel** on Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:12 am

illbits wrote:
S.A. wrote:
illbits wrote:I would argue that it was the GOP establishment that prevented Johnson from gaining momentum.

The same way the GOP establishment is preventing Paul from gaining momentum? Or is it more likely that there was only enough oxygen for one libertarian-ish candiate?

Well, JOHNSON seems to believe it was the establishment. For someone advocating for a politician I would think you might be more familiar with his own statements. Or are you just hell bent on anyone but the RACIST Ron Paul???

It's too bad that candidates and their supporters believe that the MSM and GOP are preventing their candidate from winning. The viability of the candidate themselves, prevent those candidates from winning.

View · by **S.A.** on Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:48 am

illbits wrote:
S.A. wrote:
illbits wrote:I would argue that it was the GOP establishment that prevented Johnson from gaining momentum.

The same way the GOP establishment is preventing Paul from gaining momentum? Or is it more likely that there was only enough oxygen for one libertarian-ish candiate?

Well, JOHNSON seems to believe it was the establishment. For someone advocating for a politician I would think you might be more familiar with his own statements. Or are you just hell bent on anyone but the RACIST Ron Paul???

I'm not advocating for Johnson. I said that if you wanted to back a politician who had libertarian views on things, then Johnson would be preferable to Paul for any number of reasons (lack of 'questionable' baggage, experience as a governor, etc)

That being said, Johnson can blame the so-called GOP establishment all he wants. The fact is that the libertarian wing of the GOP has always been a minority (vocal minority, but a minority nonetheless) in the party nominating process. There simply isn't enough oxygen for two libertarian candiate to get traction, especially when one of the two's supporters are borderline fanatical.

View · by **S.A.** on Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:54 am

illbits wrote:
S.A. wrote:The same way the GOP establishment is preventing Paul from gaining momentum? Or is it more likely that there was only enough oxygen for one libertarian-ish candiate?
Ron Paul is gaining momentum in spite of the MSM.

1. The GOP Establishment, what you said was stopping Johnson, is not the Main Stream Media. So lets not conflate the two.

2. Regarding the media and Paul: Until recently the media has been giving Paul a pass. He was not vetted like a serious candidate because they didn't consider him a serious candidate. While that certainly wasn't support, it didn't hurt. So that is hardly in spite of the media.

View · by **tweener** on Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:47 pm

well, so far Ron Paul is winning in the Delegate count....so who is the real front runner? We can't be certain untill the June Iowa Convention, but it is very likely that Ron Paul won more than half of the 28 delegates Iowa sends to the National convention.....

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... straw-poll

View · by **S.A.** on Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:16 am

tweener wrote:well, so far Ron Paul is winning in the Delegate count....so who is the real front runner? We can't be certain untill the June Iowa Convention, but it is very likely that Ron Paul won more than half of the 28 delegates Iowa sends to the National convention.....

http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... straw-poll

So if delegates haven't been selected, and won't be for 4.5 more months, how is Ron Paul "winning" the delegate count?

View · by **tweener** on Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:49 am

Because the way caucus states work....

Delegates are elected at each precinct....the number of delegates is based on a formula the Republican party uses but is usually based on the number of votes in the last MAJOR election, that were for the republican, that came out of that precinct.

Then all the delegates from each county, hold a county convention, where they elect delegates to go to the state convention. At the state convention, they elect delegates to the national convention.

Organized supporters do much better in this process, lets say a precinct is electing 6 delegates....The Ron Paul camp ran at least 6 people in that precinct for delegate....often times, the unorganized campaign may only have 3 or 4 supporters running as a delgate. You can see that if this is the case, there is a better chance or RP delegates being elected.

So organized campaigns usually get more delegates.....

We won't know for certain untill June, but the odds are, Paul got more delegates than his precentage shows.....I could be wrong, but he is very likely to get AT LEAST 7 delegates out of Iowa.

View · by **gyrfalcon** on Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:54 am

S.A. wrote:2. Regarding the media and Paul: Until recently the media has been giving Paul a pass. He was not vetted like a serious candidate because they didn't consider him a serious candidate. While that certainly wasn't support, it didn't hurt. So that is hardly in spite of the media.

Complete and utter B.S.... He ran in 2008 and attracted considerable attention unlike many of the other GOP canidates. The general media has been doing it's damnedest to censor and trivialize him. To suggest he hasn't been vetted is ludicrous when they're trying to smear him with 20 year old newsletters.

View · by **tweener** on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:13 am

As for MSM censorship of paul....

I will post a few links as I come across them over the next few days...

Look at the graphic on this page....notice someone who is polling in second place is missing?

http://www.businessinsider.com/shocking ... ent-2012-1

View · by **tweener** on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:19 am

not censorship, but despicable none the less...

http://youtu.be/taAbDbm-gmc

View · by **tweener** on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:22 am

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hp ... 8364_n.jpg

View · by **tweener** on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:25 am

http://www.dailypaul.com/200239/ron-up- ... shire-poll

View · by **tweener** on Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:36 pm

More marginalizing of RP

http://youtu.be/2cILGviTOTI