HF 1467 Back to the MN Senate Committee

[justaguy]

Joan's burning her's up on Twitter trying to keep warm:

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Someone remember that 2nd one in 5 years...

That **** will make you dumber.

[IDPA Shooter]

I'm just surprised no one has at least mentioned this. It probably won't affect the vast majority, but I do know of some who claim top be carrying on UT or FL who would be affected.

I thought in order to have a Utah permit you had to have a valid permit in your state of residence.

The Florida permit is not recognized by MN. UT started requiring a permit if your state issued them in May of this year. Not sure what happens with states that issue, but are very restrictive, like NY, MA or CA, but a non issue with MN residents. As a Utah instructor I think their requirements are as or more restrictive than MN. Example, UT requires all classes be taught in person, 4 hour minimum with specific topics required, DWI in last 4 years, no permit, write bad checks, no permit for a year. Oddly, no shooting test required, but they fingerprint and do extensive backgroung checking and monitor instructors.

I agree its a minor issue, trained over 500 folks and maybe 25 didn't get both and half of them were WI residents, before they had carry. Of course that was just our experience, YMMV

[MadTalon]

I thought I would share an article I just read on this topic.

http://www.mndaily.com/2012/02/14/gun-bill-shaky-ground

[tazdevil]

I thought I would share an article I just read on this topic.

http://www.mndaily.com/2012/02/14/gun-bill-shaky-ground

Hmm, that's not a biased article at all. I love the conjecture at the end too,

"More cases may arise of innocent people, perceived as criminals, being greatly harmed or killed while doing unthreatening tasks. That homeless person knocking on your window for a cheap carwash, or that drunk college student who stumbles into the wrong apartment or maybe even that overly eager Jehovah’s Witness that invites themselves inside, that you know just won’t take “no” for an answer, may all be potential threats able to be met with deadly force"

. The may's have it then. I don't see this as a issue in Texas, where a law similar to this already exists. Just like the Carry permit did not result in runnin' and gunnin' in the streets.

[DanM]

I thought I would share an article I just read on this topic.

http://www.mndaily.com/2012/02/14/gun-bill-shaky-ground

Consider the source....

[MadTalon]

This is the voice of the antis, i'm not sure if the writer is conceding at the end or if he is trying to push the anti-gun readers of his column to write their Gov. Please note when you google "stand your ground law mn" this is the first link at the top.

[MadTalon]

More cases may arise of innocent people, perceived as criminals, being greatly harmed or killed while doing unthreatening tasks. That homeless person knocking on your window for a cheap carwash, or that drunk college student who stumbles into the wrong apartment or maybe even that overly eager Jehovah’s Witness that invites themselves inside, that you know just won’t take “no” for an answer, may all be potential threats able to be met with deadly force

I don't understand the mentality that if it's the law that people will worsen their judgment and decide to kill a homeless person or a Jehovah's witness because they are annoying, these statements sound very non-threatening and worthy of 911 and wait. Why don't they say it like they mean it, a poor defenseless firearm wielding violent criminal might get hurt. This is more than just the fundamental right to defend ourselves it's about our right to be protected by the laws not laws to protect poor defenseless firearm wielding violent criminals.

Sorry for the rant.

[Flyby]

Tony Cornish was just on Cam and Company, apparently the bill is suppose to be heard on the senate floor on Thursday.

[justaguy]

Tony Cornish was just on Cam and Company, apparently the bill is suppose to be heard on the senate floor on Thursday.

Are we storming the Capital or what?

[coyotee4269]

The reasons for not passing it are actually those same reasons to support the bill. Criminals may be less likely to attempt to shoot someone if they may be shot at in return or upon the life Threating an individual at home, in the car, etc. The Police Chief in Minneapolis is ony one of those who do not like it. If one listened to the legislature debate on this subject last May you will find out that there are many law enforcement officer who do support the bill. This is a great bill and it will help those who want to protect themselves and help those who travel state to state.

[steve4102]

http://www.startribune.com/politics/sta ... 60918.html

Standing here is all law enforcement, all Minnesota's prosecutors," Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman told a State Capitol news conference. "We unanimously oppose this bill."

The Minneapolis and St. Paul police chiefs, representatives of the state's police chiefs and rank-and-file officers, and the state County Attorneys Association joined Freeman in denouncing the bill

[tman]

The letter to my senator (who happens to be my insurance guy)

I'm just writing to ask you to vote FOR the Stand Your Ground Bill, SF 1357.

Despite the cries from the Sheriff's Association and others, this bill is a winner for the LAW ABIDING citizens of MN.

When the Personal Protection Act was first considered, the same people claimed that there would be, "blood running in the streets," even though other states with similar laws had shown this be untrue.

Again today, there are states that already have "stand your ground," and police officers are NOT being randomly shot by homeowners; gangbangers are NOT able to claim self defense when they murder.

Again, please support this important legislation.

Thanks,

tman

[justaguy]

The letter to my senator (who happens to be my insurance guy)

I'm just writing to ask you to vote FOR the Stand Your Ground Bill, SF 1357.

Despite the cries from the Sheriff's Association and others, this bill is a winner for the LAW ABIDING citizens of MN.

When the Personal Protection Act was first considered, the same people claimed that there would be, "blood running in the streets," even though other states with similar laws had shown this be untrue.

Again today, there are states that already have "stand your ground," and police officers are NOT being randomly shot by homeowners; gangbangers are NOT able to claim self defense when they murder.

Again, please support this important legislation.

Thanks,

tman

Keep us posted.

[tman]

The letter to my senator (who happens to be my insurance guy)

I'm just writing to ask you to vote FOR the Stand Your Ground Bill, SF 1357.

Despite the cries from the Sheriff's Association and others, this bill is a winner for the LAW ABIDING citizens of MN.

When the Personal Protection Act was first considered, the same people claimed that there would be, "blood running in the streets," even though other states with similar laws had shown this be untrue.

Again today, there are states that already have "stand your ground," and police officers are NOT being randomly shot by homeowners; gangbangers are NOT able to claim self defense when they murder.

Again, please support this important legislation.

Thanks,

tman

Keep us posted.

His reply, which took about 1 1/2 hours:

tman,
Thanks for the message.
I supported this legislation last year and will be doing so again this session.

Regards,
[Senator] John [Carlson]

[2in2out]

I just sent a similar letter to my Senate and House representatives. Within 13 minutes of that being sent, my House representative responded, and he's on board. No response yet from my Senator, but it hasn't been very long - he has a good reputation for listening to what people have to say.