Students with gun permits get segregated dorms at University

[guntalkgirl86]

One of the advantages of legally carrying concealed is that you can choose to quietly go about your business without having to explain your personal choices to anyone. This policy is forcing people to "out" themselves. Whether they want to or not. They don't have "straight" and "not straight" dorms. Neither are there "Republican" and "Liberal" dorms. Seems a little wrong to force someone to broadcast their personal beliefs.

I agree with you 100 percent. I do not believe that people should have to let others know that they are legally carrying a gun. That is your protection and right. You are letting the crazy people know who has guns and who does not. I completely agree with tour statement that someone should have to broadcast their personal business.

[peckerhead]

One of the advantages of legally carrying concealed is that you can choose to quietly go about your business without having to explain your personal choices to anyone. This policy is forcing people to "out" themselves. Whether they want to or not. They don't have "straight" and "not straight" dorms. Neither are there "Republican" and "Liberal" dorms. Seems a little wrong to force someone to broadcast their personal beliefs.

I agree with you 100 percent. I do not believe that people should have to let others know that they are legally carrying a gun. That is your protection and right. You are letting the crazy people know who has guns and who does not. I completely agree with tour statement that someone should have to broadcast their personal business.

Maybe so, but it's a huge step in the right direction. Not to mention that bad guys probably won't go there.

I know of someone in their mid 30's who's been a permit holder for quite awhile. They've been working on a degree for a few years, and can't carry on campus. They tell me it's creepy sitting in some of the classrooms and lecture halls where there's only one entrance/exit, since all it would take is one armed wacko to pick them all off like fish in a barrel, and there would be nothing anyone could do about it (including security) other than just stand there and get shot.

Even with two exits, it still wouldn't matter. The police aren't going to risk physical harm to go in and save anyone; they'll just wait for the shooting to die down, then go in and slap cuffs on the bad guy. It's happened time and again.

There's no reason why someone like my acquaintance shouldn't be allowed to carry, and the fact that they aren't is a little ridiculous.

[Hmac]

I was listening to MPR the other day when they did a report on this story.

The reporter said that, as of Monday, NO PERMITTED students had applied to live in the dorm. I'll see if I can find a link..

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That was a quick search.

http://www.npr.org/2012/08/23/159921428/u-of-colorado-to-students-no-guns-in-dorms-please

Makes perfect sense. If my college days are reflective, the VAST majority of students that live in dorms are freshmen, maybe sophmores, that aren't old enough to get a Colorado carry permit anyway. It would be more interesting and relevant to know how many permittee students are carrying on campus now, but if those students are smart, that number will never be known.

[Hmac]

Ok, so the criminals will now know which dorms they can attack and not fear getting shot back at. No, that won't become a problem ever.

They can attack any of the dorms with equal abandon. Guns aren't permitted in the dorms.

[tman]

Even with two exits, it still wouldn't matter. The police aren't going to risk physical harm to go in and save anyone; they'll just wait for the shooting to die down, then go in and slap cuffs on the bad guy. It's happened time and again.

Can you find me a recent story where this holds true?

After Columbine this changed. The police are taught to quickly move to the sound of the gunfire now. Most active shooters will stop killing once they are fired on. They often kill themselves when cornered or wounded.

[peckerhead]

Even with two exits, it still wouldn't matter. The police aren't going to risk physical harm to go in and save anyone; they'll just wait for the shooting to die down, then go in and slap cuffs on the bad guy. It's happened time and again.

Can you find me a recent story where this holds true?

After Columbine this changed. The police are taught to quickly move to the sound of the gunfire now. Most active shooters will stop killing once they are fired on. They often kill themselves when cornered or wounded.

You're right. I read articles on some of the more recent mass shootings, as well as other information I found regarding police tactics. It looks like they're trained to wait for just one other unit to arrive on-scene before heading toward the loudest sounds. That's commendable and I stand corrected.

The flip side is that the shooter usually seems to be able to hit quite a few people, even in that short period of time. It makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it. My acquaintance would pretty much be screwed, armed or not, but it'd be nice if they were at least given the chance to help themselves.