Don't Cry Wolf

[Heffay]

So much angst.

[JKalsbeck1961]

Oh. I found a video of you on youtube!
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That must have been the one of me in the military and of you protesting my existence.
Or the other one of me working my second job to stay off public assistance and you crossing into your third "state of residence" to collect your "free" money.
Or was it the one of me ripping the American flag out of your hands that you and Obama were trying trying to replace with that one with a hammer and sicle?

[Heffay]

That must have been the one of me in the military and of you protesting my existence.

You served too? What did you do? I was a surface warfare officer in the Navy. Got as far as LCDR before hanging up my incredibly sexy hat.

[goalie]

The immediate solution to any deficit, is to reduce expenses.

There are 2 ways to fix a deficit, not just one.

The correct way does not include printing money.

Of course, nobody here is arguing that we should print more money. But, it's easier to build up a weak argument and attack that than to actually address points made by someone else that don't agree with you, so I am not surprised.

Cut spending AND raise taxes. They are not mutually exclusive things.

[whiteox]

The thing is i'm not on the left. I'm smack dab in the middle. Or at least I used to be, till the right went off into the western horizon.

I actually voted for Dole in 96, and W in 2000. Then I watched a completely Republican federal govt cut taxes with no corresponding spending cuts, pass a plan to give free drugs to seniors with no plan to pay for it, send tax refund checks to the entire country when we had trillions in debt, and embark on two wars with no plan to pay for them.

And then after the country spanked em for it in 2006, I watched em craft a political strategy that relied on driving conservatives to the polls by creating wedge social issues like gay marriage, abortion, and immigration to distract people from the fact that they were bankrupting the country.

Then they got the House back in 2010 and started spitting out bills about abortion on an order of magnitude greater than the bills about jobs or the economy.

Then Obama offered 4 trillion in spending cuts in exchange for 1 trillion in higher taxes in folks with annual income and they shat upon it.

I voted for Republicans most of my life but after the **** show they've put on for the last 12 years? Yeah, they can **** right off for the foreseeable future.

When you're spending more than you take in every year AND you have debt equal to your annual income, you don't dig out of that hole by not eating out and cancelling the cable. You've also got to go get some additional income. You cut AND get more income. That's what I see Obama doing. Romney wanted to INCREASE defense spending by two TRILLION and cut tax rates but couldnt explain how any of it would be paid for.

That's what I'm supposed to vote for?! I don't think so. They can **** a bag of ******.

If ya care governor votes were Arne, Ventura (oops), Pawlenty, and Horner.

[Jeff Bergquist]

I voted for Republicans most of my life but after the **** show they've put on for the last 12 years? Yeah, they can **** right off for the foreseeable future.

I agree with much of what you said, but IMO you're rather late to the party if you think it's just been a problem for 12 years. Ronald Reagan was a groundbreaker when it came to cutting taxes while increasing spending, and pretty much institutionalized it as a method for getting reelected.

Check out what happened to the federal debt after Reagan was elected in 1980.

[infidel]

Unlike the government; businesses and private citizens do not have unlimited options to raise revenue, they must reduce spending. When you cannot increase your revenues by raising product prices, or finding additional work, the only way to reduce debt is to lower spending. People seem to think government has an unlimited checkbook. The problem with exorbitant deficits and debts is not with revenue, the problem lies with spending.

[goalie]

The problem with exorbitant deficits and debts is not with revenue, the problem lies with spending.

They both contribute. Use both to fix the problem, and you'll fix it faster.

[texasprowler]

The right is trying to raise money by incentivising businesses to stay in this country and hiring people.

If I don't go to work everyday, and pay taxes, the gov gets no money.

Increased productivity is the source of higher gov income, not higher taxes.

I didn't like Ryans plan to pay down the debt either, it would take way to long, leaving the responsibility to my kids.

So I am glad Obummer got reelected, now we can fall off the cliff and start over.