Inviting a Stop and Frisk through Open Carry

[Heffay]

Also, if you're a weaker person, let's say a woman for the sake of argument,

[xd ED]

Do you need a firearm to defend yourself? I - and most others here - would probably argue that you don't.

That's the weirdest thing I've heard on a gun forum in a while. Don't get caught saying that to some anti-gunner. CCW will be gone if someone who is pro-gun admits that. That's the kind of thing I would keep to myself.

If your attacker is armed, I would say that you most definitely need a firearm to defend yourself. You don't always have the ability to run away.

Also, if you're a weaker person, let's say a woman for the sake of argument, a firearm is really the only thing that will level the playing field if attacked by some big guy, armed or unarmed.

If you don't "need" a firearm to defend yourself (what if you have to defend more than just yourself?), then cops wouldn't "need" to carry guns.

So, if you were without firearm you would be absolutely defenseless, and know of no other defensive tools as alternatives to a firearm?

[jgalt]

Do you need a firearm to defend yourself? I - and most others here - would probably argue that you don't.

That's the weirdest thing I've heard on a gun forum in a while. Don't get caught saying that to some anti-gunner. CCW will be gone if someone who is pro-gun admits that. That's the kind of thing I would keep to myself.

If your attacker is armed, I would say that you most definitely need a firearm to defend yourself. You don't always have the ability to run away.

Also, if you're a weaker person, let's say a woman for the sake of argument, a firearm is really the only thing that will level the playing field if attacked by some big guy, armed or unarmed.

If you don't "need" a firearm to defend yourself (what if you have to defend more than just yourself?), then cops wouldn't "need" to carry guns.

You seem to be confusing the right of self defense with the ability to defend one's self successfully.

You have an absolute right to attempt to defend yourself against an attack, should you so choose. You have zero guarantee that your attempt will be successful, regardless of what tools or training you have. Lack of a firearm does not make you defenseless, it just lessens the odds of a successful attempt to defend yourself...

[LePetomane]

Voting is a privilege of citizenship.
The ability to defend oneself with arms is a right.

Don't confuse the two.

Voting is a right. Responsible citizens treat it as a privilege and irresponsible ones treat it as an entitlement.

[texasprowler]

Voting is a right. Responsible citizens treat it as a privilege and irresponsible ones treat it as an entitlement.

See viewtopic.php?t=34759

[jshuberg]

Oh no, not again!! One last time for the record and then I'll shut up:

A right is something granted by the creator to all human beings. You do not have to compel another person to action to exercise a right. Rights are not granted by a government, only recognized by it. Governments cannot deny or infringe rights without due process without becoming tyrannical.

A privilege *is* something granted or created by the government. It is a man made construct, and can potentially be limited or denied by the government that granted it. Privileges can be denied entire categories of people without due process - such as non-citizens.

An entitlement is a type of privilege where the government is compelled to provide a good, service, framework or infrastructure to those who have been granted the privilege.

A liberty is not something granted by the government, but an activity that government does not restrict or infringe on. It is an activity totally free of government interference. When a government presumes to control, regulate, or create rules or laws governing an activity it ceases to be a liberty possessed by the people, and becomes a privilege granted by the government.

[Heffay]

A right is something granted by the creator to all human beings.

That's one definition. Not the way our system works, but you're entitled to your opinion.

[Holland&Holland]

A right is something granted by the creator to all human beings.

That's one definition. Not the way our system works, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Pretty sure he has a right to his opinion but it is his privilage to express it through this entitlement of the interweb, he is just enjoying that liberty...

[plblark]

inalienable, pre existing, imbued by ...

[Heffay]

A right is something granted by the creator to all human beings.

That's one definition. Not the way our system works, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Pretty sure he has a right to his opinion but it is his privilage to express it through this entitlement of the interweb, he is just enjoying that liberty...

I agree. I have an opinion of him based on his opinion as well, but I choose to exercise my right to not speak about it.

[jshuberg]

What, you don't love me anymore?

[SpiderPig]

I am constantly puzzled why pro-gun advocates are tolerant and complacent about so many requirements imposed before the gov will 'allow' one to exercise a right.

Exactly