What do we need to fear with the new MN Legislature

[Heffay]

What a hypocrite. No one is forcing you to do anything, yet you want churches to accommodate YOUR whims.

What am I asking the churches to do again? I'm not asking them to do anything. They can happily go on not marrying gay people or even letting them in their doors all they want. Same with the Boy Scouts.

Now, let me try to buy a bottle of rum on Sunday...

[infidel]

What a hypocrite. No one is forcing you to do anything, yet you want churches to accommodate YOUR whims.

Not even close. Your church can do whatever the **** it wants, and nobody who is pro-marriage for all could GAS. YOU want to force YOUR religious views upon everyone and deny OTHERS the ability to get married.

I am not religious, nor am I forcing anyone to do anything. It is gay rights supporters that are forcing churches to accommodate them. I respect your right to have a homosexual relationship. I also respect the right of religions to prevent you from using properties they own when you openly violate their tenants.

[Heffay]

I also respect the right of religions to prevent you from using properties they own when you openly violate their tenants.

And you're ok with churches using the government to enforce their no-homo marriage rules on non church members? Because frankly I agree with you on what I quoted there 100%. Well, properties they designate as non-public because they are trying to take advantage of tax loopholes that is.

[yukonjasper]

I think what is being missed here is that you don't necessarily have to be a church goer or particularly religious to have an opinion on homosexuality and whether they should be allowed to marry. It happens that the Churches and people of faith tend to be more outspoken about it, but there are plenty of people who have never seen the inside of a church that will tell you they aren't fans of the lifestyle.

Beyond that and because its typical for these discussions to start wandering, its important to note that the assertion that it will never happen and show me proof that is has, supporting evidence of it happening was presented. Because of our unique Political System, I hope it doesn't go as far as those examples, but the point is that there are a lot of things that Government does that doesn't reflect the will of all of the people. Just about everything actually. So somewhere along the way, the Government stepped on someones rights in favor of someone elses interests. The original thought was to limit that sort of over stepping on the Marriage issue. Why would people of faith have any less right to codify their beliefs than those who don't like smoking, driving without seatbelts etc etc etc. The reason is actually quite biggoted - people of faith are weak minded, right. They use religion as a crutch instead of dealing with the reality of life being unfair and totally random. I know all the angles, I've heard them. I don't get excited about it anymore - you have the right to believe whatever you wish. I get the sense that the Liberatarians in the world believe that anything should go and that we are all on our own, your own self interest should be all that you are concerned with. Ayn Rand run amok. Should a child be allowed to exercise his or her free will and stick their hand on a hot stovetop? Who are you to abridge that childs right to do what they wish? You intervene because you know its harmful. Shouldn't we all intervene if we see people doing things that are harmful.

[goalie]

I am not religious, nor am I forcing anyone to do anything. It is gay rights supporters that are forcing churches to accommodate them. I respect your right to have a homosexual relationship. I also respect the right of religions to prevent you from using properties they own when you openly violate their tenants.

Just to be clear then, you are fine with homosexual marriage as long as your church is not required to perform any?????

[Heffay]

You intervene because you know its harmful. Shouldn't we all intervene if we see people doing things that are harmful.

Ah, there's the bigotry. Homosexuality is harmful!

Think of the children! They might catch the gay!

[grousemaster]

You intervene because you know its harmful. Shouldn't we all intervene if we see people doing things that are harmful.

Ah, there's the bigotry. Homosexuality is harmful!

Think of the children! They might catch the gay!

You find the bigotry in every thread. The clingon reference was waaaay over the line.

[White Horseradish]

Religious Cannon

Is that like the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

Not sure you'll find a Wikipedia Page to support that but that is my opinion. .

In other words, you made it up.

You should really be ashamed of yourself in this thread. You LIE. I was asked to provide a link to ANY church that may be forced to provide services against their will. I did. Everything you have said cannot happen, I have shown you it has.

Right. It happened in a different country with a different constitution. So, as soon as we get a king and rewrite the constitution completely your claim might begin to have some merit. Until then it's completely baseless. Apples, oranges, etc.

If you are really that hard up for things to be afraid of I can also suggest "rapid continental shift" and alien invasion.

I also respect the right of religions to prevent you from using properties they own when you openly violate their tenants.

Now THIS I want to hear about. I can see how churches would want to keep people who publicly rape their renters out. When did this happen?

[goalie]

Just to be clear then, you are fine with homosexual marriage as long as your church is not required to perform any?????

Just a bump to get a simple yes or no......

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[Heffay]

You intervene because you know its harmful. Shouldn't we all intervene if we see people doing things that are harmful.

Ah, there's the bigotry. Homosexuality is harmful!

Think of the children! They might catch the gay!

You find the bigotry in every thread. The clingon reference was waaaay over the line.

Yeah, except it wasn't me that made the Klingon reference.

[grousemaster]

Yeah, except it wasn't me that made the Klingon reference.

I know. I join in your outrage, but would have been more pissed had he insulted hobbits.

[infidel]

Just to be clear then, you are fine with homosexual marriage as long as your church is not required to perform any?????

Just a bump to get a simple yes or no......

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Again, I do not belong to any church. I was ex-communicated from two religions over twenty years ago. I do have an issue with someone demanding the "right" to get "married" in a church which they do not belong. I also believe that marriage is, and should only be, between members of the opposite sex.

[Shipyard]

Yeah, except it wasn't me that made the Klingon reference.

I know. I join in your outrage, but would have been more pissed had he insulted hobbits.

awwww...... hey now........ do i detect a little hint of that special little romance i keep seeing peek out from you two?

[goalie]

Just to be clear then, you are fine with homosexual marriage as long as your church is not required to perform any?????

Just a bump to get a simple yes or no......

Again, I do not belong to any church. I was ex-communicated from two religions over twenty years ago. I do have an issue with someone demanding the "right" to get "married" in a church which they do not belong. I also believe that marriage is, and should only be, between members of the opposite sex.

So, once we wade through the straw-man arguments that you seem to love having with yourself, you know, the "demanding the "right" to get "married" in a church which they do not belong" that NOBODY is arguing for, then the answer is no?

It really isn't that hard, so I'll ask again in caps: DO YOU HAVE A **** PROBLEM WITH GAYS BEING MARRIED IF THEY DO IT SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN A CHURCH THAT DOESN'T WANT THEM??!?!?!?!??!

[Heffay]

It really isn't that hard, so I'll ask again in caps: DO YOU HAVE A **** PROBLEM WITH GAYS BEING MARRIED IF THEY DO IT SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN A CHURCH THAT DOESN'T WANT THEM??!?!?!?!??!

He said yes, he does have a problem with that.