Is it time to talk about any change in gun laws?

[Erud]

It's already illegal to murder people, I fail to see how more laws will somehow prevent it.

But that doesn't mean that they won't try anyways.

[tazdevil]

That would be no, no and no and wondering why they where asked.

Very simply, I had been asked those very questions, and had no argument against. In addition, if you don't ask, you won't know the reasons why or why not.

1. What is your proposal?
2. No
3. Yes

My proposal to the mentally ill question revolves specifically around those that should not own or have guns, that their is some way of reporting this so it comes up in the NICS check.

[Erud]

That would be no, no and no and wondering why they where asked.

Very simply, I had been asked those very questions, and had no argument against. In addition, if you don't ask, you won't know the reasons why or why not.

1. What is your proposal?
2. No
3. Yes

My proposal to the mentally ill question revolves specifically around those that should not own or have guns, that their is some way of reporting this so it comes up in the NICS check.

Who will decide who should not own or have guns, and what will the criteria be?

[tazdevil]

That would be no, no and no and wondering why they where asked.

Very simply, I had been asked those very questions, and had no argument against. In addition, if you don't ask, you won't know the reasons why or why not.

1. What is your proposal?
2. No
3. Yes

My proposal to the mentally ill question revolves specifically around those that should not own or have guns, that their is some way of reporting this so it comes up in the NICS check.

Who will decide who should not own or have guns, and what will the criteria be?

I was speaking about the mentally ill, and that would have to be the individual's Psychiatrist.

[Mn01r6]

Holy buckets lets slow our roll here gentlemen. I do not want doctors prescribing me guns or no guns. It is hard enough to get a script for antibiotics when I have a sinus infection.

If you want to take guns away from people they need due process and that means a court hearing.

[ijosef]

Nothing will happen. It's just like every other incident in the past few years. Everyone will say something has to be done, and nothing will.

I agree. Unfortunately the same is true for the spending cuts we need... double-edged sword and all.

Some states require private sales to go through an FFL I believe. That's fine I guess (although I don't care for the law myself), but that's the state's decision and shouldn't be a federal requirement.

[Erud]

My proposal to the mentally ill question revolves specifically around those that should not own or have guns, that their is some way of reporting this so it comes up in the NICS check.

Who will decide who should not own or have guns, and what will the criteria be?

I was speaking about the mentally ill, and that would have to be the individual's Psychiatrist.

Boy, you must have a lot more faith in psychiatrists than I do.

[Erud]

Nothing will happen. It's just like every other incident in the past few years. Everyone will say something has to be done, and nothing will.

I'm pretty sure things will be happening. Even your super pro-2A DFL won't be able to resist the need for some good, old-fashioned "Common sense" gun controls. New AWB (with teeth this time, including no legal transfer of already-owned "assault weapons"), FTF sales banned at the federal level, .50 caliber ban, waiting periods for ALL firearms, and more. House republicans that try to stop it will be labeled extremist, hate-mongering dinosaurs with no regard at all for the safety of children. Then, they'll fold like they always do. There aren't enough people in our government(at any level) that understand the founding of our country to prevent this.

I understand that you have to try to believe that nothing will happen, since you voted for these folks. Unfortunately, it won't take long to prove you wrong.

[Heffay]

I understand that you have to try to believe that nothing will happen, since you voted for these folks. Unfortunately, it won't take long to prove you wrong.

Who did I vote for again? Please show me one person I voted for that is discussing gun control. Any one will do. Go ahead, I'll wait.

[LePetomane]

Most psychiatrists shouldn't have guns, either.

[Erud]

I understand that you have to try to believe that nothing will happen, since you voted for these folks. Unfortunately, it won't take long to prove you wrong.

Who did I vote for again? Please show me one person I voted for that is discussing gun control. Any one will do. Go ahead, I'll wait.

That's the part of my post that you want to argue about? Look, I don't care who you voted for. Your belief in The DFL's non-interest in gun issues is pretty clear from past posts. If you didn't vote for anyone that is (or will soon be) pushing for new legislation, then good for you. Let me repeat, and I don't think I can stress this enough:

I don't care who you voted for.

Things will almost certainly be changing, and soon.

[Heffay]

I understand that you have to try to believe that nothing will happen, since you voted for these folks. Unfortunately, it won't take long to prove you wrong.

Who did I vote for again? Please show me one person I voted for that is discussing gun control. Any one will do. Go ahead, I'll wait.

That's the part of my post that you want to argue about? Look, I don't care who you voted for. Your belief in The DFL's non-interest in gun issues is pretty clear from past posts. If you didn't vote for anyone that is (or will soon be) pushing for new legislation, then good for you. Let me repeat, and I don't think I can stress this enough:

I don't care who you voted for.

Things will almost certainly be changing, and soon.

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, be sure to stock up on ammo and guns before it's too late*.




*This message brought to you by Bill's Gun Shop.

[JeremiahMN]

Things will almost certainly be changing, and soon.

This is not directed at you personally, but one thing I've learned on this forum is that the general consensus of what's going to happen politically is almost always wrong here. Obama's going to lose in 2012, Voter ID is going to pass easily, after every shooting/murder story in the news talk about new gun control measures right around the corner, etc.... I think it's because most people in this forum live in a bubble, surround themselves with like minded people and aren't really in touch with how most American's feel. Gun control advocates are typically people that have been directly affected by gun violence so it's their emotions taking over calling for new gun laws. I think most of us agree that their arguments are NOT the most logical. If you go out in to average America and talk to people, gun control is not an issue that they think is a priority. Just a few months after the Colorado shooting we had an election, and people were polled all across the nation about what issues were important to them. On none of those lists was gun control mentioned. It's economy, deficit, healthcare, etc... It won't be more than two weeks and the media will be 100% focused back on the pro-wrestling like entertainment that our government has become.

[sgruenhagen44]

Things will almost certainly be changing, and soon.

This is not directed at you personally, but one thing I've learned on this forum is that the general consensus of what's going to happen politically is almost always wrong here. Obama's going to lose in 2012, Voter ID is going to pass easily, after every shooting/murder story in the news talk about new gun control measures right around the corner, etc.... I think it's because most people in this forum live in a bubble, surrounded themselves with like minded people and aren't really in touch with how most American's feel. Gun control advocates are typically people that have been directly affected by gun violence so it's their emotions taking over calling for new gun laws. I think most of us agree that their arguments are NOT the most logical. If you go out in to average America and talk to people, gun control is not an issue that they think is a priority. Just a few months after the Colorado shooting we had an election, and people were polled all across the nation about what issues were important to them. On none of those lists was gun control mentioned. It's economy, deficit, healthcare, etc... It won't be more than two weeks and the media will be 100% focused back on the pro-wrestling like entertainment that our government has become.

I kinda agree but I also think its ignorant to say that it will never happen. I remember in high school people said that gas would rise over $4 a gallon and many people totally disagreed... we all know how that went. Same deal with the "fiscal cliff" a lot of people are in their own little bubble in a sense. I try not to come to conclusion about people here considering I have never met them. I for one do not surround myself with like minded people. Being 22 years old and just out of college its not surprising that most of my friends are considered liberal minded people. All we can do is try to represent "us" in a positive light. and I use that term in a general sense. IMO 90% of people believe america can never fail and the economy will be stable soon. Duh... we can always print more money right? Anyone who carries a gun is easy to demonize in my opinion, not that I agree with.

For example, last weekend my brother in Law was in town. He is from SOuth Dakota and a liberal. He also loves deer hunting and pheasant hunting and you're average gun enthusiasts. Before I put my coat on he could see my revolver strapped to my belt as usual and said, "Do you really need that?" I relied, Hopefully not, but I find it a odd question coming from someone who lives in a state where long guns can be transported uncased and loaded." Point being, people like him are quite neutral about gun control laws and we can not expect their support. It became more entertaining as he started complaining about how we have such high taxes on everything here in Minnesota.

[Erud]

Things will almost certainly be changing, and soon.

This is not directed at you personally, but one thing I've learned on this forum is that the general consensus of what's going to happen politically is almost always wrong here. Obama's going to lose in 2012, Voter ID is going to pass easily, after every shooting/murder story in the news talk about new gun control measures right around the corner, etc.... I think it's because most people in this forum live in a bubble, surround themselves with like minded people and aren't really in touch with how most American's feel. Gun control advocates are typically people that have been directly affected by gun violence so it's their emotions taking over calling for new gun laws. I think most of us agree that their arguments are NOT the most logical. If you go out in to average America and talk to people, gun control is not an issue that they think is a priority. Just a few months after the Colorado shooting we had an election, and people were polled all across the nation about what issues were important to them. On none of those lists was gun control mentioned. It's economy, deficit, healthcare, etc... It won't be more than two weeks and the media will be 100% focused back on the pro-wrestling like entertainment that our government has become.

I hope you are right, but I don't think you are. The CT school shooting is almost the perfect straw to break the camel's back. Regardless of what we believe, it won't take long to find out.