Is it time to talk about any change in gun laws?

[Heffay]

You provide an incentive NOT to get help by saying that seeking help means you have to turn in all your guns. People who voluntarily get help are not the people who want to go on a killing spree.

That is actually one of my biggest concerns. How do you encourage someone to get help without scaring them away? Maybe you could make it so that people who voluntarily seek help get to keep their rights, where if you don't and are committed you have to go through a process to get them restored when you're better.

[Mn01r6]

that's the way it is RIGHT NOW!

[Heffay]

that's the way it is RIGHT NOW!

Yeah? So let's change it. That's my whole point. Make it BETTER while offering up a compromise that actually moves the discussion in the right direction.

[Mn01r6]

that's the way it is RIGHT NOW!

Yeah? So let's change it. That's my whole point. Make it BETTER while offering up a compromise that actually moves the discussion in the right direction.

The change that needs to be made is better detection of those who are/may become acutely homicidal.

Psychiatry is not a perfect science, and no tools exist that I know of that would make us better at detecting acute homicidality. What is your plan?

I don't want to change things just for the sake of changing them...that's what the AWB or mag restrictions would do - possibly give us a false sense of security without addressing the root of the problem.

[Heffay]

that's the way it is RIGHT NOW!

Yeah? So let's change it. That's my whole point. Make it BETTER while offering up a compromise that actually moves the discussion in the right direction.

The change that needs to be made is better detection of those who are/may become acutely homicidal.

Psychiatry is not a perfect science, and no tools exist that I know of that would make us better at detecting acute homicidality. What is your plan?

I don't want to change things just for the sake of changing them...that's what the AWB or mag restrictions would do - possibly give us a false sense of security without addressing the root of the problem.

"Acutely homicidal"?

Yeah, I'm going to have to wait to continue this discussion with someone who knows a bit more about mental health issues.

[river_boater]

Involuntary commitments are judicial proceedings, not medical records.

What if I'm currently under a psychiatrist's care? Should that disqualify me? There are a lot of unknowns here.

Well, it should be clearly defined with an escalation procedure put in place to allow for oversight of the process. Of course there are unknowns. It's a complicated proposal, and will require careful analysis. I'm just putting it out there as a starting point for further discussion, such as will it work, will it help, and how could we make it as effective as possible.

And I'm not disagreeing with you. Our current leaders are not really good at "careful analysis," and I fear this is going to go terribly awry for us as a community. I do believe this incident is the last straw for many people, and I don't know if those in congress on "our side" are bold enough to be demonized as child killers when they vote against what ever gun control legislation comes their way.

[Mn01r6]

"Acutely homicidal"?

Yeah, I'm going to have to wait to continue this discussion with someone who knows a bit more about mental health issues.

Acute homicidal ideation is defined as thoughts or plans of harm to others. Sorry I should have been more clear for non-clinical jargon people.

[Heffay]

Maybe we should focus on the real cause of the shooting: birth control and gay marriage.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/12 ... ?mobile=nc



Nice work, Huckabee. And here we were thinking the 2012 elections got all you nutjobs to keep your pie-holes shut.

[tman]

"Acutely homicidal"?

Yeah, I'm going to have to wait to continue this discussion with someone who knows a bit more about mental health issues.

Jesus Christ, Heffay, don't troll the people you want to educate. EDUCATE them. TELL US how you think we should be handling mental illness. We are all listening.

[Heffay]

"Acutely homicidal"?

Yeah, I'm going to have to wait to continue this discussion with someone who knows a bit more about mental health issues.

Jesus Christ, Heffay, don't troll the people you want to educate. EDUCATE them. TELL US how you think we should be handling mental illness. We are all listening.

I gave ideas. He blew them off as too hard. I provided additional information. Now I'm waiting for other people to discuss it and help come up with ways to make it work.

What else can I do?

[sgruenhagen44]

the only gun law that needs to change in minnesota is that we should be able to own silencers.

[tman]

the only gun law that needs to change in minnesota is that we should be able to own silencers.

Seriously?

[plblark]

Wow ... I could come up with a huge list ... Suppressors are on it but not very high on my personal list

[sgruenhagen44]

I was mostly kidding. I don't even have anything that I could even put one on. Mostly my point was I don't want to see any gun laws change here in minnesota. I don't think it would help any. We have a nics check. So even if there is some kind of gun registry there would still be private sale going on? Would all COs have a computer to check every gun on every hunter? Same with cops, anytime they see someone carrying will they run their gun through a database? But yes, I have some other suggestions for gun laws others might disagree with. I love carrying my shotgun uncased in south dakota with the tube full. Or how about counties actually granting permits within the 30 days.

[LePetomane]

Maybe if the NRA would take the lead instead of being on the defensive they would win friends instead of making enemies.