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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby XDM45 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:48 pm

river_boater wrote:Just received this:

From: Charlotte Antin [mailto:Charlotte.Antin@house.mn]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:53 PM
To: Civil Law Committee
Subject: Agenda Changes - Civil Law Meetings - Week of February 4th

Civil Law

Tuesday, February 5 - 8:15AM
***MEETING IS CANCELED***
Room: Basement Hearing Room
Chair: Rep John Lesch
Agenda: TBA

Wednesday, February 6 - 8:15AM
Room: 200 State Office Building
Chair: Rep John Lesch
***Note:***Change in Agenda
Agenda:
• HF 278 (Hortman) Uniform Electronic Legal Material Act enacted as approved by the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws.
• Presentation on Family Law.

Charlotte Antin
Committee Administrator
Judiciary Finance and Policy
Civil Law
(651) 296-5360



I wonder why?


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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby Lights on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:45 pm

So are the hearings a go still on the 5th at 10am?
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby XDM45 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:47 pm

Ya know, on another forum I saw this...so now it looks like there's some confusion..... The one below is on still I believe.

TUESDAY, February 5, 2013
10:00 AM
Room: 10 State Office Building
Chair: Rep. Michael Paymar
Agenda: Bills related to Gun Violence Prevention Act
Specific bills TBA
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby Lights on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:52 pm

Thanks
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby river_boater on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:52 pm

XDM45 wrote:Ya know, on another forum I saw this...so now it looks like there's some confusion..... The one below is on still I believe.

TUESDAY, February 5, 2013
10:00 AM
Room: 10 State Office Building
Chair: Rep. Michael Paymar
Agenda: Bills related to Gun Violence Prevention Act
Specific bills TBA


It's cancelled. You can see on the committee's web site here.

The email I received is from the committee's official mailing list, which you can subscribe to here.
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby XDM45 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:59 pm

river_boater wrote:
XDM45 wrote:Ya know, on another forum I saw this...so now it looks like there's some confusion..... The one below is on still I believe.

TUESDAY, February 5, 2013
10:00 AM
Room: 10 State Office Building
Chair: Rep. Michael Paymar
Agenda: Bills related to Gun Violence Prevention Act
Specific bills TBA


It's cancelled. You can see on the committee's web site here.

The email I received is from the committee's official mailing list, which you can subscribe to here.


Thanks for the links. I got on the list.
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby bstrawse on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:04 pm

river_boater wrote:
XDM45 wrote:Ya know, on another forum I saw this...so now it looks like there's some confusion..... The one below is on still I believe.

TUESDAY, February 5, 2013
10:00 AM
Room: 10 State Office Building
Chair: Rep. Michael Paymar
Agenda: Bills related to Gun Violence Prevention Act
Specific bills TBA


It's cancelled. You can see on the committee's web site here.

The email I received is from the committee's official mailing list, which you can subscribe to here.


What you are posting is from the CIVIL LAW Committee. That is not the right committee.

This is the Public Safety Committee in the MN House - there has been no change, there will still be 3 days of gun control hearings next week.
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby river_boater on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:08 pm

bstrawse wrote:
river_boater wrote:
XDM45 wrote:Ya know, on another forum I saw this...so now it looks like there's some confusion..... The one below is on still I believe.

TUESDAY, February 5, 2013
10:00 AM
Room: 10 State Office Building
Chair: Rep. Michael Paymar
Agenda: Bills related to Gun Violence Prevention Act
Specific bills TBA


It's cancelled. You can see on the committee's web site here.

The email I received is from the committee's official mailing list, which you can subscribe to here.


What you are posting is from the CIVIL LAW Committee. That is not the right committee.

This is the Public Safety Committee in the MN House - there has been no change, there will still be 3 days of gun control hearings next week.
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Holy crap, you're right. I get more than a dozen of these a day and I totally screwed that up. I am a dumbass.
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby Lights on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:13 pm

I was confused about that posting also. I will be there on the 5th. Where and when are we all meeting again bstrawse ?
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby Tronster on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:13 pm

Hello all, new guy here. I took thursday off from work so my wife and I and also my sister in law can come up from Rochester to attend the thursday morning and evening meetings. How do I guarantee a chance to make a statement at one of these meetings? Is the evening meeting the only one taking commentators? Tuesday doesnt work for any of us.
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby themaddhatter on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:39 pm

Meetings next week (to clarify): http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/committee.asp?comm=88022

Tuesday, 10 AM: Public Safety Finance & Policy Meeting on HF 184, HF 237-240 & HF 242 (all gun related: THIS IS THE BIG ONE FOLKS!!!!)

Wednesday, 10 AM: Meeting on HF 241 (also gun related)

Don't let them confuse you with bait & switch tactics: they will do ANYTHING to weasel out of having to look stupid(er) in front of the public & press.

What I really find telling, is they log-jam almost all of the bills into one spot, instead of balancing them out. And by doing so, they put this caveat up for Tuesday:

Due to time constraints, written testimony regarding specific bills will be accepted at the hearing.

This is "coward-speak" for:
We KNOW we are trying to stuff a sh*t sandwich down your throat, so we will marginalize you as much as we can control

Anyone know if local media will be present (not like they are on our side or anything)?

Anybody want to generate some "boiler-plate" written testimony which could be used in writing our individual written testimonies?
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby bstrawse on Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:53 pm

themaddhatter wrote:
Anyone know if local media will be present (not like they are on our side or anything)?

Anybody want to generate some "boiler-plate" written testimony which could be used in writing our individual written testimonies?


I expect a full media presence - particularly on tuesday.

Re: Boiler_Plate -- expect some content from GOCRA around key speaking points, etc... there's already been analysis posted on the GOCRA blog

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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby river_boater on Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:02 pm

Nothing is listed for Thursday, does anyone know what the status of those two meetings is?

That's likely the only day I can make it.
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby clauwitz on Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:11 pm

I didn't see a full suite of explanations on GOCRAs website, so here's my summary of the proposed laws that'll be discussed in committee at the MN state legislature this coming week:

HF237:
1) Amends MN Statute 624.713 to make it easier to restrict the possession of firearms without due process by striking "by a judicial determination" from text relating to treatment or confinement for mental illness or substance abuse.  So if you or someone else puts you into treatment for either, you lose your rights immediately and without your day in court.  There is a process you can go through to restore your rights.

2) Amends MN Statute 624.7131 to allow police chiefs/sheriffs to charge up to $25 for permits to purchase (for handguns and semi-automatic military-style assault weapons).  It also allows them to, if they can't find your criminal record within the current 7 day window, require you to come in and get fingerprinted like a criminal so they can find your record. It also negates the use of a MN concealed weapons permit (CWP) as a permit to purchase once the CWP is more than a year old.

3) Amends MN Statute 624.7132 to restrict private party transfers, except to relatives, without use of a FFL dealer.

-dangers: back-door registration (of course), removal of due process, increase in cost to acquire firearms.

HF 238: Amends MN Statute 609.66, subdivision 1d to make it a felony punishable by up to 5 years and/or $10000 fine for persons with a concealed weapons permit to possess a firearm on a elementary, middle, or high (secondary) school and child care center property, instead of a misdemeanor. Also removes the exemption from forfeiture of firearms carried with a permit under those conditions.

-dangers: more felonies and gun forfeitures.

HF 239: Minnesota Statute, section 624.714, subdivision 17 currently says that if you are ordered to leave a private establishment by the owner or his/her agent because you are carrying a firearm and you don't, you've committed a petty misdemeanor.  HF 239 amends this to increase the charge  from a petty to a gross misdemeanor and makes a second offense a felony.  It also removes the exemption from forfeiture for firearms carried during such an offense.  

-Dangers: more felonies and gun forfeitures

HF 240 Amends Minnesota Statutes 2012, sections 624.7131, subdivisions 2, 4; 624.7132, subdivisions 2, 3, 5, 13; 624.714, subdivisions 2, 6, 12, 16 by adding a paragraph allowing sheriffs to deny CWPs for past police contacts that indicate dangerous or violent behavior, chemical dependency, or mental health problems. Also strikes the ability of non-residents (like a North Dakota resident) from getting a MN CWP.

-Dangers: removal of rights without due process; the sheriff can deny because of indications, not actual convictions or judicial determinations.  Argue with a police officer? Refuse to tell a police officer something or provide ID when the officer doesn't have probable cause?  That's an indication that you're dangerous or violent.  No permit for you. Also, non-residents should be able to get a CWP in MN.

HF 241 is the big one: Assault Weapons Ban.  It changes the current statutory definition of an assault weapon (take a peek at it to see how, they're both arbitrary). It outlaws possession of any firearms meeting the definition of an assault weapon unless you owned it before 1 February 2013 (yesterday), register it every year (including paying a fee), store it in accordance with the local police's guidelines, have the storage inspected yearly by the police.  Once you die, the firearm will be destroyed. 

HF 242 is the second biggest one: "Large" capacity magazine ban.  This makes any magazine, detachable or otherwise, that hold more than 10 rounds illegal (except tube magazines for .22 and lever action rifles).  No registration allowed for pre-ban magazines.

HF 243 is 242, except 7 rounds instead of 10. 

HF 244. Makes it a gross misdemeanor and removes one's right to possess firearms if one is convicted of falsely submitting a report of the theft/loss of a firearm.  No Canoe accidents for you.
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Re: Gun hearings planned @ Capitol Feb 5th-7th

Postby Mn01r6 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:46 pm

HF237 is blatantly a violation of due process as well. You cannot even revoke a drivers license for a dwi test refusal without allowing for a hearing. Preventing someone from owning a firearm because they voluntarily got inpatient treatment for something as benign as an eating disorder, anxiety, or were hospitalized by their parents when they were 8 is absolutely ridiculous. This from the people who say they want to help and understand the mentally ill - they are encouraging people to not get help. Pure idiocy.
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