State Fair trouble

[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

http://ros.leg.mn/bin/getpub.php?pubtyp ... at.37.13.0

The State Agricultural Society is a public corporation. The conveyance to the state of the
land in Ramsey County described as Southeast Quarter (SE 1/4) of Section Twenty-one (21) and
East half (E 1/2) of East half (E 1/2) of Southwest Quarter (SW 1/4), Section Twenty-one (21),
Township Twenty-nine (29), Range Twenty-three (23), is confirmed. Anything in that conveyance
to the contrary notwithstanding, the state holds that land and any other property known and
used as the "State Fairgrounds" forever for the following public purposes: (1) exhibiting under
the management and control of the society, at annual fairs and at other times determined by the
society, the agricultural, stock-breeding, horticultural, mining, mechanical, industrial, and other
products and resources of the state, including proper exhibits and expositions of the arts, human
skills, and sciences; and (2) other uses and purposes determined by the State Agricultural Society,
including the leasing of parts of the State Fairgrounds. The society shall not lease any part of the
State Fairgrounds if the lessee is going to compete with an existing established business of auto
racing within a radius of 40 miles, except during the operation of the state fair and all other public
exhibitions pertinent to expositions of human art, industry, or skill. Neither the state nor the society
shall ever charge or encumber this property. Any part of the State Fairgrounds which is within the
boundaries of a city or other political subdivision of the state is detached from the city or political
subdivision. Nothing in this section exempts otherwise taxable property on the fairgrounds or the
fairgrounds itself from real and personal property taxes pursuant to chapters 272 to 275 and 471.
History: (7860) RL s 3079; Ex1957 c 6 s 1; 1982 c 625 s 2; 1985 c 265 art 2 s 1

37.13 OWNERSHIP OF MONEY AND PROPERTY; CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
Subdivision 1. Use of money. The state owns all money and other property of the society
in the name of the society and there may be no division of its assets among society members. Money received by the society must be used for holding its annual fair and for other exhibitions
or expositions the society holds, for the improvement of the fairgrounds, for the payment of
expenses, premiums, and purses, for the acquisition of real and personal property, for the use and
benefit of the society, and for furnishing attractions and amusements the board of managers
considers necessary for the success of its fairs and other exhibitions and expositions.
Subd. 2.[Repealed, 1Sp2003 c 21 art 8 s 20]
History: (7872) RL s 3084; Ex1957 c 6 s 2; 1965 c 411 s 2; 1985 c 265 art 2 s 1; 2000
c 418 art 1 s 2

So we know the State, under the guise of a Society owns the State fair grounds, therefore, are they going to post this year again

[mnglocker]

Any word back on your Email yet Brit?

[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

Nothing

[joelr]

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[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

I'm guessing, Joel Rosenberg "The Man" has my posts blocked with the ignore function of this software. Otherwise he may have responded earlier to this thread.

Why is E-Mailing a generic question about carrying at the state fair so abhorent? According to a thread on HIS board, it is.

If it was such a bad idea, tell it to me on this board, don't hide behind the IP blocker.

Whatever axe there is to grind, thats his issue to deal with, I've said my peace.

[Ramoel]

I'll answer your question Brit, from my point of view. Since I know that it's legal for me to carry at the Fair, I will. I don't see the point of asking a question that you already know the answer to, unless the question is just asked to tweak someone. This issue was beat to death in 2003. Naturally I'll carry concealed since my purpose is self protection, not education of the general populace.

[joelr]

I'll answer your question Brit, from my point of view. Since I know that it's legal for me to carry at the Fair, I will. I don't see the point of asking a question that you already know the answer to, unless the question is just asked to tweak someone. This issue was beat to death in 2003. Naturally I'll carry concealed since my purpose is self protection, not education of the general populace.

I'm not sure, for whatever reason, what his question is. But if it involves something like writing a letter to a public official to get an opinion -- rather than a matter of fact -- I'll say that my take, as somebody who has done activism stuff on this (granted, as just a guy) for some years, and carefully studied -- sometimes, at close hand; other times, through their writing -- what the folks who actually know what they're doing do, and why (and I'm not talking just about Professor Olson, although he's certainly on the top of my list) is that that's something that I'll consider very carefully, as thoughtfully as I'm able to, and then unless it's something that, after careful consideration I decide is obvious (and usually, even then), I'll run it by a minimum of three people whose judgment I trust (even if I sometimes disagree with it), before sending anything out.

Most of the time, that's unnecessary effort; I can -- and will, but not in a public forum, or other than when I think it wise and feel like it -- give some examples of how people shooting off their mouths and running their email programs (usually, with good intentions) has created problems, and further examples of people just shutting up has solved some. But that's for another time, and another place.

I don't get to decide what other folks do. I'm glad that's okay with me, because, well, even if it wasn't, see the previous sentence: I don't get to decide what other folks do.

[Konaseven]

Something I do not see are statements coming out of CCRN, NRA, GOA, etc. to get active and write your representatives about this issue, (State Fair carry) or for that matter, any other MN carry issues*, at this time. I take this lack of a push for activism as a strategy. When one of the mentioned groups asks for a letter to be written or a call to be made, I will do it. I trust their experience in these matters more than my, sitting at the computer, reading about them, reactions.




* As opposed to a few (very few it seems these days) national carry issues that require an Email or postcard to be sent.

[joelr]

When one of the mentioned groups asks for a letter to be written or a call to be made, I will do it. I trust their experience in these matters more than my, sitting at the computer, reading about them, reactions.

Me, too, generally. Where I'm not sure that I agree -- and there are times when I don't -- I tend to ask the president of GOCRA/CCRN why, and most of the time (not, as Joe would tell you, all) I find the argument persuasive; sometimes, I don't, and do something different.

[Pinnacle]

When one of the mentioned groups asks for a letter to be written or a call to be made, I will do it. I trust their experience in these matters more than my, sitting at the computer, reading about them, reactions.

Me, too, generally. Where I'm not sure that I agree -- and there are times when I don't -- I tend to ask the president of GOCRA/CCRN why, and most of the time (not, as Joe would tell you, all) I find the argument persuasive; sometimes, I don't, and do something different.

As for me, Unlike Rainman I cannot count cards - you know Wapner is on and I cannot pay attention to anything other than that but as for me (as Just a Guy) and perhaps not being able to string a sensible letter together either - would ask the same question in a general format if I wanted a general answer.

[BRIT_in_the_weeds]

But what do you know

[Andrew Rothman]

Let's derail yet another important policy thread with stale personal animosities.

[Aceq2jot]

I Thought this thread died two weeks ago

[mnglocker]

Now that this thread isn't dead anymore, I'll use it as an oppertunity to point out that Fred Thompson will be there tomorrow for the Jason Lewis show.

[joelr]

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