What IS the Actual Distribution of Wealth?

[NMRMN]

Olaf: would you vote Democratic, whose platform you clearly seem to advocate, even if it means ultimately giving up your second amendment rights?

Define second amendment rights, if you can, and I might be able to take a shot at answering it.

The right for all law-abiding and currently legally eligible citizens to own, possess and bear all currently legal firearms and accessories in the state of minnesota, without any fears of of registration, recrimination or confiscation.

[St. Olaf]

Well, I suppose what we'll see eventually is more laws that propose banning certain weapons and magazines.

I'd have to see exactly what they proposed to ban before I could make a choice.

I suppose down the road somewhere we'll have choices to make.

[NMRMN]

Well, I suppose what we'll see eventually is more laws that propose banning certain weapons and magazines.

I'd have to see exactly what they proposed to ban before I could make a choice.

I suppose down the road somewhere we'll have choices to make.

:shock:

Great. We look forward to your support of the Republican ticket.

[St. Olaf]

I don't see that happening, although I suppose it's possible......just barely.

[Karl B. Andersen]

1.) If it's a "law", then it's not a "proposal".
2.) Why should ANYTHING be banned?

Well, I suppose what we'll see eventually is more laws that propose banning certain weapons and magazines.

I'd have to see exactly what they proposed to ban before I could make a choice.

I suppose down the road somewhere we'll have choices to make.

[XDM45]

Ya know, I get the whole most-gun-owners-are-Republican deal, but honestly it's a one-party system. It's not like rainbows and gold shoot out of the ass of whoever wins the election regardless of their party; or that even with 8 years in, they somehow fix the injustices perceived by some.

I swear that some people suck the party line so hard (for either party), that if the other party had Jesus and their party they affiliate themselves with has Satan, they'd vote for Satan along with straight down the party line.

[St. Olaf]

It has nothing to do with the "party."

It has everything to do with what the party stands for.

The Republican party stands for evil......denying health care to the poor, denying women their rights, racial discrimination, lower wages for workers and higher profits for the rich, destroying programs like Social Security and Medicare, hatred of immigrants who are "different", hatred of homosexuals, glorifying war and overspending on wars to oppress Third World nations and steal their resources, forcing religious mythology on others by rule of law........oh, the list goes on and on and on.

So, until the Republican Party can learn......and do better--most people can't support them.

(Even to save their beloved black rifles).

[Snakeman721]

It has nothing to do with the "party."

It has everything to do with what the party stands for.

The Republican party stands for evil......denying health care to the poor, denying women their rights, racial discrimination, lower wages for workers and higher profits for the rich, destroying programs like Social Security and Medicare, hatred of immigrants who are "different", hatred of homosexuals, glorifying war and overspending on wars to oppress Third World nations and steal their resources, forcing religious mythology on others by rule of law........oh, the list goes on and on and on.

So, until the Republican Party can learn......and do better--most people can't support them.

(Even to save their beloved black rifles).

Wow! If ever there was a troll statement, that was it. "Evil" party? I'm not even going to try to respond to that. I'll let others derail this thread and start (or continue) with the flame wars.

[St. Olaf]

Here's an idea.

Instead of making personal attacks and trying to start a "flame war," why not address the substance of the post?

For example, if denying health care to the poor, denying women their rights, racial discrimination, lower wages for workers and higher profits for the rich, destroying programs like Social Security and Medicare, hatred of immigrants who are "different", hatred of homosexuals, glorifying war and overspending on wars to oppress Third World nations and steal their resources, forcing religious mythology on others by rule of law........if these things are NOT evil--explain why they are not evil in a respectful way.

[minnhawk]

It has nothing to do with the "party."
The Republican party stands for evil......denying health care to the poor, denying women their rights, racial discrimination, lower wages for workers and higher profits for the rich, destroying programs like Social Security and Medicare, hatred of immigrants who are "different", hatred of homosexuals, glorifying war and overspending on wars to oppress Third World nations and steal their resources, forcing religious mythology on others by rule of law........oh, the list goes on and on and on.

So, until the Republican Party can learn......and do better--most people can't support them.

(Even to save their beloved black rifles).

Wow, that is some form of generalization! The Democratic party can be accused of virtually every "sin" you've laid at the feet of the Republicans. One can accuse the Democratic party of racism, pure and simple, with so many facts and instances if would make your head spin, starting with opposition to President Lincoln's Emanicipation Proclamation to direct political tie-ins to the Ku Klux Klan in this country for well over a century, and for keeping Blacks and minorities "enslaved" by the welfare system of LBJ's war on poverty (which is still being fought, and the country is still losing). Democrats invented political corruption in this country and it is still alive and well -- The Daley machine and Tammany Hall machine are just two of the more famous democratic corruption machines that have been a cancer on big cities and the poor who live there. Want to talk about union corruption and the Democratic party? Corruption and influence peddling, murder, screwing over the working man, kick-backs, vote buying and selling. How about the uber-rich among the democratic elites? Is George Soros paying 90% of his income in taxes? How about the Hollywood elites? Why is it that so many democrat politicans and their rich friends get busted for employing illegal aliens to clean their floors, manicure their lawns, and wipe their rich white asses? Oh, well they didn't know their gardener didn't have a green card, or they forgot to pay social security for the maid. Right. There are as many uber-rich democratic supporters as there are republican ones, and if anyone tries to tell you different, just laugh at them. As far as your litany of "evils" involving hate and so on, that is exactly what I would expect from a liberal democrat -- use exaggeration and extremism to attempt to make your point, so back at ya. The radical left is as guilty of most of the sins of the radical right, it is just different shades of gray. There ain't a nickel's worth of difference between the republican and democrat power brokers -- it is all about power and screwing the little guy. It's just that the democrats like to smile and pat you on the back while they're screwing over the little guy, and say they're on your side.

[harryset]

Who is denying healthcare for the poor?

[St. Olaf]

One can accuse the Democratic party of racism, pure and simple, with so many facts and instances if would make your head spin, starting with opposition to President Lincoln's Emanicipation Proclamation to direct political tie-ins to the Ku Klux Klan in this country for well over a century, and for keeping Blacks and minorities "enslaved" by the welfare system of LBJ's war on poverty (which is still being fought, and the country is still losing).

I have to laugh. This is so typical of the Tea Party style of discussion. Did you notice? You failed to address what I said and instead launched a (specious) attack on Democrats (saying they do the same things).

That is clearly wrong, being that the "Party of No" (Republicans) are gridlocking government and preventing the Democrats from doing good.

That's why the Republican Party is evil.

So.....you can come back and address what I said, I'll address a few of your attacks.

Let's start with recognizing that the Democratic Party of today is exactly the opposite of what it was two centuries ago. So forget Lincoln.

Next, the "Welfare is Enslavement" argument is just a Fox News talking point. Get real. Helping people who are in abject poverty get basic necessities has nothing to do with enslaving them. It's all about a Biblical concept called "Loving your neighbor."

So, your first attack fails.

Democrats invented political corruption in this country and it is still alive and well -- The Daley machine and Tammany Hall machine are just two of the more famous democratic corruption machines that have been a cancer on big cities and the poor who live there. Want to talk about union corruption and the Democratic party? Corruption and influence peddling, murder, screwing over the working man, kick-backs, vote buying and selling.

Wait! Who was murdered? Unions SAVED the working man.
Your other claims are true, but they're just typical political extremes.
Got to give that a fail, as well.

How about the uber-rich among the democratic elites? Is George Soros paying 90% of his income in taxes? How about the Hollywood elites? Why is it that so many democrat politicans and their rich friends get busted for employing illegal aliens to clean their floors, manicure their lawns, and wipe their rich white asses? Oh, well they didn't know their gardener didn't have a green card, or they forgot to pay social security for the maid. Right. There are as many uber-rich democratic supporters as there are republican ones, and if anyone tries to tell you different, just laugh at them.

Sorry, I'm too busy laughing at what you just said. It's just a smokescreen with no content.

As far as your litany of "evils" involving hate and so on, that is exactly what I would expect from a liberal democrat --

Fine. It should be easy for you to refute them.

Oddly enough, you didn't.

Can't?

[grousemaster]

'It's surprising to St. Olaf that there is a huge disparity in income among people, just like there's a huge disparity among everything else. This guy wants to mandate results. Dangerous. He has a perverse obsession with the Tea Party as well....not sure if anyone else has noticed.

This thread is the actions of a troll. He intended to "incite emotional responses", he has even stated the he enjoys receiving personal attacks. His account should be disabled.

Even if you are sincere, that doesn't mean your a troll. No one doubts this guy actually believes what he types, but I think we can all agree (as he has admitted) that he is trying to incite personal attacks and emotional responses. That is a TROLL.

[St. Olaf]

So, you admit you can't make a reasoned and intelligent response to what I said, but instead have to attack me personally?

How does that help your cause?

[LePetomane]

For example, if denying health care to the poor, denying women their rights, racial discrimination, lower wages for workers and higher profits for the rich, destroying programs like Social Security and Medicare, hatred of immigrants who are "different", hatred of homosexuals, glorifying war and overspending on wars to oppress Third World nations and steal their resources, forcing religious mythology on others by rule of law........if these things are NOT evil--explain why they are not evil in a respectful way.

Here we go again, being lectured to from someone obviously on a higher moral platform because he is the only one who cares about the poor, women's rights, the rights of homosexuals ( I don't think they need any more rights than the rest of us), elderly, etc.

You are obviously not a believer in property rights unless it is your property. What gives you the right to determine how other people live? This isn't Sweden, Norway or some other socialist paradise where misery is shared.

The problem with liberals is that they think that they are judged on their intentions rather than the outcomes. The fact that they "care" is where it stops. They believe in equality in outcome rather than the equality in opportunity that exists in a free society.

And did you receive your marching orders while at St. Olaf?