The Lies That Gun Grabbers Tell

View · by **NMRMN** on Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:53 pm

http://www.alt-market.com/articles/1378-the-lies-that-gun-grabbers-tell

View · by **Sarge_44** on Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:21 pm

View · by **CarryCauseICan** on Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:35 pm

Good read! Thanks

View · by **river_boater** on Sat Mar 09, 2013 9:41 pm

I say it here all the time: gun control is not about the gun, it never has been; it's about the kind of people that own guns.

View · by **s4s4u** on Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:29 am

The gun is one of the last remaining symbols of freedom and the socialists hate freedom and everything that goes with it.

View · by **Back In Black** on Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:21 pm

About the same number of abortions that are performed in the US every year. Is the Libby gun control agenda really about preserving life? I think not.

View · by **CarryCauseICan** on Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:41 pm

Since 12/5/1933, I wonder how many Americans have died from drunken driving violence?

View · by **grousemaster** on Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:22 pm

Are you including suicides as "gun violence"? IF so, you are perpetuating mis-information.

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View · by **jgalt** on Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:23 pm

That stat almost certainly includes justifiable "gun violence" - i.e. self-defense... :roll:

View · by **Heffay** on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:10 pm

jgalt wrote:That stat almost certainly includes justifiable "gun violence" - i.e. self-defense...

Yes, and it also include suicides, which is not really gun violence.

However, even if we just consider homicides, the numbers are probably still true.

View · by **xd9** on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:24 pm

Heffay wrote:
jgalt wrote:That stat almost certainly includes justifiable "gun violence" - i.e. self-defense...

Yes, and it also include suicides, which is not really gun violence.

However, even if we just consider homicides, the numbers are probably still true.

The fact is the true number of Americans who have died in all American wars comes much closer to 1,300,000. But that is not my real point. The fact that this is portrayed as “more Americans have died from gunfire” and using a tragedy such as Sandy Hook to skew the facts. Even PolitiFact.com had to admit this…

”We should note that these figures refer to all gun-fire related deaths -- not just homicides, but also suicides and accidental deaths. In 2011, about one-quarter of firearm-related deaths were homicides (about 8,300), according to FBI and CDC data. Using total firearm-related deaths makes the case against guns more dramatic than just using homicides alone”.

See they used the word DRAMATIC. They want to use acts of gun violence to feed their hysteria but want to include many other factors into their equations. So you would say what about suicide? That makes up for quite a large number of deaths in the US with firearms. But let’s use Japan for example. Japan is frequently held up as a working example of gun control. Well in the past 15 years, 30,000 people in Japan take their own life EACH YEAR (or family members life too, they count that as suicide as well). That is more than double the suicide rate of the United States. So this goes to show that if people are bound and determined to do themselves harm, they will find a way, even if they don’t have guns to do it. (suicide by trains are popular in Japan I guess) So I would suggest taking suicides out of the statistics along with accidents and actions of legal intervention (death by cop for self defense perhaps). The overall number of violent gunfire related deaths is vastly lower. This makes the statements in the meme false IMHO.

View · by **xd9** on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:28 pm

I posted that to a gun-grabbing relative of mine and her response was....

"I count all deaths,not just homicides. No guns=no accidental death by guns. Suicides are a little more tricky. While yes, it is true that people will find a way, if they really want. Guns make it faster and far more convinient and leave a much more horrific scene for those left behind." :doh:

View · by **CarryCauseICan** on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:47 am

What the heck is "gun violence" anyways? The gun can't be violent without the operator behind it!

View · by **Snakeman721** on Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:27 pm

Hmmmmm, ya know.......that's a good look for Obama.

View · by **Li'l Beaver** on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:49 pm

First of all I believe the 1.3 million figure is considerably inflated and certainly includes those killed by law enforcement and justified self defense shootings the first of which the gun grabbers support. Secondly if we go back to the civil War the total lives lost in combat is considerably greater than 1.3 million, in fact the lives lost in WWI and WWII alone would far exceed the 1.3 million figure.