SF 458 Passed committee...

[XDM45]

Best outcome - SF458 fails on the floor since it doesn't have the votes; SF1359 (better than SF458, but still more regulation nonetheless) never comes up, and nothing gun-related "gets done" at all this year.

+1

SF1359, while not as bad as 458, still creates some issues that really don't need to be issues. One that comes to mind in particular is possession of ammunition by people under the legal age to possess the firearm that ammunition goes in. I understand the intent, but it also creates problems - what if Johnny goes on a hunting trip with his dad and ends up with an extra round in his backpack, which is then found at school or somewhere?
Just one example... I'm with JK-linux though; I'd be happiest if nothing passed.

I think that HF1359 isn't perfect, and no legislation is, but I think that such a bill is an opportunity to forge something that IS good. This is what was done with the MPPA of 2003. No, I wasn't around firearms then like I am now, but what if people had said "Well, this first draft sucks. Better not pass anything."

I understand not wanting anti-gun legislation to pass, but I'm confused by the unwillingness to forge GOOD pro-gun legislation our of a rough draft. At least we have something pro-gun/pro-freedom NOW. Why not work to improve it vs. wishing it fails? I don't get it. I see your point about the ammo in the school backpack, so, don't wish its failure!! FIX IT!! I think far too many people are of the mindset that ALL gun legislation is bad legislation, and it's just not. It's that people are so used to the anti-gunners filing these crap bills and so few pro-gun/pro-freedom bills even getting introduced, let alone voted on or passed that there's this rampant fear among many gun owners "OH NO!! A gun bill!!! Send in the NRA, GOCRA, SAF, etc!!" GOCRA is a large influential, local Minnesota force and thus is in a way, a core part of HF1359, as is Tony Cornish, and a few others...... so for anyone totally new and not paying attention - They are on OUR SIDE!! Why would anyone want that legislation to fail the chance to be voted on, improved, voted on and implemented? I just don't get it. Sorry. I never will.

You and everyone else is entitled to your opinion, and we'll have to agree to disagree on this one I guess. Just as HF237 and HF458 were amended and refined, so too can HF1359 or any other proposed legislation also be fixed.

[connsolo]

Unfortunately sf 1359 didn't come up for a vote so it doesn't really matter.

[XDM45]

Unfortunately sf 1359 didn't come up for a vote so it doesn't really matter.

When will it?

[BBeckwith]

Unfortunately sf 1359 didn't come up for a vote so it doesn't really matter.

When will it?

In committee it won't.* Latz refused to have a hearing. It is essentially dead.

*there is a way to bring it directly to the floor for a vote but the majority leader needs to initiate that process. That is not very likely to happen

[xd9]

Then we need to get SF 458 SMASHED into the ground! GDI!

[XDM45]

Unfortunately sf 1359 didn't come up for a vote so it doesn't really matter.

When will it?

In committee it won't.* Latz refused to have a hearing. It is essentially dead.

*there is a way to bring it directly to the floor for a vote but the majority leader needs to initiate that process. That is not very likely to happen

I cannot comment because anything I say would likely get me into trouble ala James Yeager, so I'll STFU and just say that is some BULLS....

[XDM45]

Then we need to get SF 458 SMASHED into the ground! GDI!

HULK SMASH!!!

Yes, I agree.

[xd9]

Ahh you get the 4 yo's obsession with Advengers reference. Our little guy has seen that movie atleast 5 times in the last 30 days. :-O

[texasprowler]

Where is the bill that repeals the MMPA? After all, that is the evil document that allows people to carry guns. We can just let Federal law govern firearm possession.

[Glocktwenty3]

I hope Latz doesn't plan to further his political career. I will never forget this pompous a$$hole or turn down a chance to drag his name through the mud.

[LarryP]

Obama will call him a champion & he'll end up in washington with some nice job

I hope Latz doesn't plan to further his political career. I will never forget this pompous a$$hole or turn down a chance to drag his name through the mud.

[jshuberg]

Where is the bill that repeals the MMPA? After all, that is the evil document that allows people to carry guns. We can just let Federal law govern firearm possession.

SF 458 would effectively return MN back to being a "may issue" state. Police chiefs and Sheriffs would have the ability to deny permits based on subjective and undefined criteria. Because the costs of a successful appeal would no longer be paid by the issuing agency, permit denials would likely become the norm in certain counties.

[photogpat]

Don't forget that if you're summarily denied, all the legal costs to fight it are now on your shoulders too....used to be that having to pay the legal costs of an overturned denial kept the Sheriff honest and made them do their job when checking someone's background.

[TommyMN]

Is it safe to buy an ar yet? I don't wanna get into evil black rifles just to lose half the features down the road. I can't keep up with all these bills.

[BBeckwith]

The ban on magazines and "Semi Automatic Military Style Assault Weapons" have been pulled (deleted) from all current bills.