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[jshuberg]

None of us can possibly infer from that photo the circumstances of what happened. Were they really rolling down the streets in armored vehicles pointing guns in every window? You're creating a narrative and inventing a story to fill in the gaps of what the photo is incapable of showing. And then getting all worked up about the story.

Since no one bothered to answer my last question, I'll ask another - is there any circumstance under which you would consider that cop justified in bringing his weapon up on the person in the window? If your answer is yes, without knowing for certain that wasn't what happened, you're simply reacting emotionally, and in the absence of facts.

Perhaps the photographer was one of those cop-block type ********, someone who intentionally instigates an incident with law enforcement to capture their reaction on camera, and then misrepresent the circumstances to make them look bad. The photographer could have threw the curtains open suddenly, knowing the cop would be startled and react. We simply don't know.

Locking down the city was a mistake. More terrorist plots have been foiled since 9/11 as the result of citizen involvement than by law enforcement. We the People are the dept. of homeland security, and it's about time that our politicians in office and administrators with a badge start recognizing it.

[NMRMN]

1. viewtopic.php?f=21&t=42726&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15#p458717
2. viewtopic.php?f=21&t=42726&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30#p458939


THIS ISN'T THE PICTURE THREAD. GO HERE: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=42697

[jshuberg]

Take a deep breath dude, you're not the thread police, and you don't control the direction of our conversations. So there are 2 threads discussing the same photo, it's not the end if the world. It's actually not uncommon for an online forum.

Perhaps you should start a thread on how thread drift in online gun forums is ruining civilization. I'll make a point to post in it

[NMRMN]

1. This is my thread. 2. I could care less about the hand-licking crap you are posting.

There is another thread devoted entirely to the topic you are insisting on discussing here.

Screwing with the topics lessens the experience for the whole community. Be polite.

[tazdevil]

None of us can possibly infer from that photo the circumstances of what happened. Were they really rolling down the streets in armored vehicles pointing guns in every window? You're creating a narrative and inventing a story to fill in the gaps of what the photo is incapable of showing. And then getting all worked up about the story.

Since no one bothered to answer my last question, I'll ask another - is there any circumstance under which you would consider that cop justified in bringing his weapon up on the person in the window? If your answer is yes, without knowing for certain that wasn't what happened, you're simply reacting emotionally, and in the absence of facts.

Perhaps the photographer was one of those cop-block type ********, someone who intentionally instigates an incident with law enforcement to capture their reaction on camera, and then misrepresent the circumstances to make them look bad. The photographer could have threw the curtains open suddenly, knowing the cop would be startled and react. We simply don't know.

Locking down the city was a mistake. More terrorist plots have been foiled since 9/11 as the result of citizen involvement than by law enforcement. We the People are the dept. of homeland security, and it's about time that our politicians in office and administrators with a badge start recognizing it.

Problem is, it won't be looked at that way. It will be seen as a absolute success, BG1 dead, BG2 injured and in custody. So the end justified the means in many eyes. That's the scary part.

[jshuberg]

This is my thread

No, you started the thread, you don't own it. Where it goes is beyond your control. You can request a moderator lock it if it bothers you that much.

[jshuberg]

Problem is, it won't be looked at that way. It will be seen as a absolute success, BG1 dead, BG2 injured and in custody. So the end justified the means in many eyes. That's the scary part.

You're probably right about that, especially considering it was Boston. I'd like to see someone challenge the constitutionality of city wide lock down. Orders given under color of law by police are not without limits, and the scope of this order was simply too broad for it to have been lawful. This had to have been a police order, as the only politician with the power to lock down an entire city is the governor, in the form of turning control of the civilian government to the military under martial law.

Perhaps some of the cops on here could give some insight as to what constitutes a lawful order, and how broad that order can be before it is no longer lawful. If an entire city can be locked down, why not a state? Why not the entire country? Limits need to be set on the power of law enforcement to suspend the rights of the population in response to a crime or an attack.

[XDM45]

Thanks for the mini biography XDM -- you are very tactical and hardcore.

Not a mini bio, not tactical or hardcore, just me. I'm not very trusting of "people" at all. Certain individuals, yes, but very few people outside of my family. I'm just being honest about it, that's all.

I am in awe of your experience. My trigger-time was all military, but I still didn't point a loaded rifle at EVERYONE in a window when we got to Kuwait City.....

Well, you are far more trusting than I am. I don't drive around town pointing at people in windows, but if was a SHTF/WROL type situation, it's a different story. Whatever it takes to survive.

Please.

Just.

Stop.

It's.

My.

Opinion.

[CarryCauseICan]

I may have said this before in this thread, but, cops point guns at people A LOT, and no one gets shot.

True, but you usually point that at people for a reason, not simply because you are rolling down the street in your armored vehicle looking for one dumbass in a city of 800K and someone **GASP** looked out the window to see WTF was going on with the armored vehicles and army rolling through.

I'm kinda in Awe and confused at the same time. But I'm with Goalie on this one!

[goalie]

I don't drive around town pointing at people in windows, but if was a SHTF/WROL type situation, it's a different story. Whatever it takes to survive.

That is kind of the point. They were looking for one dumbass and acting like they were crossing the Rhine......

[XDM45]

I don't drive around town pointing at people in windows, but if was a SHTF/WROL type situation, it's a different story. Whatever it takes to survive.

That is kind of the point. They were looking for one dumbass and acting like they were crossing the Rhine......

I don't think it's the fact that they were hunting for one man so much as it is the level (or potential level of) destruction caused by one man. They went after that one LAPD cop like crazy a few months ago, also one man.

Now would LE/Government put that level of effort into someone just robbed a gas station, even if it's one man? No. Now if that one man used a biochemical weapon as a threat to rob the store vs a gun? You bet they would.