Gun registration now?

[Scratch]

Did gun registration now go through in Washington DC? Someone mentioned it to me last night but I can't find anything about it.

[hunterfreakhd]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12 ... rs-chills/

This is prolly what they were talking about.

[bstrawse]

Did gun registration now go through in Washington DC? Someone mentioned it to me last night but I can't find anything about it.

DC has had registration for at least 20+ years. What's happening is that all gun owners have to RE-REGISTER again by a deadline at some point this year... many won't and will become felons as a result (if caught)
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[Scratch]

I found it:
http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/1/gun-reregistration-law-dc-goes-effect-2014/

[Vikingsfan93]

Here is a dumb question I know....are firearms (rifles specifically) registered in Minnesota when you buy them?

[Lunchbox]

Here is a dumb question I know....are firearms (rifles specifically) registered in Minnesota when you buy them?

nope

[PhilaBOR]

Here is a dumb question I know....are firearms (rifles specifically) registered in Minnesota when you buy them?

Nope. Except the store has a record of every firearm they sold, serial number, and name and address of purchaser. But firearms aren't registered. /end sarcasm

[SparkyJeff]

The 4473 paperwork is like a fragmented registry that is stored in a few thousand locations that have varied levels of security.

[PhilaBOR]

The 4473 paperwork is like a fragmented registry that is stored in a few thousand locations that have varied levels of security.

Yes. And if the government decided to collect, scan, OCR and index them, presto chango, registry. Are there legal obstacles? Yes. Are there possible scenarios where those obstacles can be overcome? Yes. Do I hope it never happens? Yes.

But there are other routes if it really goes sideways. Capture the servers at Midway, Brownells, Lucky Gunner. Run a report of customers sorted by total purchase $ per year. Send in the ATF APC's.

Or they could use state hunting license records. Higher percentage of Fudds and less militia types, but you gotta start somewhere.

Did I mention concealed carry permit records?

Face it, you're on a list unless you've always paid cash for everything, never filled out a form, ordered online, filled out a waiver at a range, etc.

"We all need to hang together or we will surely hang separately." Ben Franklin.

[Evad]

Face it, you're on a list unless you've always paid cash for everything, never filled out a form, ordered online, filled out a waiver at a range, etc.

Exactly. It may not be an organized list, and it's huge...but it's there somewhere.

[jshuberg]

The move to online record keeping will be another means to create a central registry. The NSA will simply harvest the data the same way they do phone calls and online activity.

If they fail at universal background checks, they'll go for electronic 4473 in a specified format much like HL7 for health care. They'll argue it's for efficiency, but in fact it will be for their never ending thirst for as much personal information on the populace as possible. 1984 was for amateurs, fedgov likely knows more about you than you do at this point. If something is stored or communicated in an electronic form, it's in a database somewhere. If we truly want to prevent a centralized registry from being realized, we need to resist electronic records of any kind.

[Steelslinger]

Hope everyone pays for their gun related purchases with cash only (no checks or credit cards) cause otherwise, they don't need to collect 4473's, just credit card billings and bank statements will tell them who owns guns.

[AFTERMATH]

Hope everyone pays for their gun related purchases with cash only (no checks or credit cards) cause otherwise, they don't need to collect 4473's, just credit card billings and bank statements will tell them who owns guns.

They'd still need to get a warrant for that - But they don't necessarily do that anyway...

[XDM45]

Ya know, gun registration is an important issue, as are gun rights, freedom, all of it and much more too...... however, let me give it a different perspective for a second......

None of it REALLY matters at the end of your life. Doubt me? Ask anyone who has died and came back; or ask anyone that has been given a terminal diagnosis, heck, even ask the very old in age who are very near the end of their life about what really, really matters in life....and I can guarantee you that guns won't even be in the top 25 of their list.

On your deathbed will you worry about rights? How much you worked? How much money and/or things you have/had? or will you be thinking of Love, Family, Close Friends, etc? I'm not saying to not give time, energy and effort to gun rights and/or whatever else is important to you; I'm saying just don't make such things the majority or sole focus of your life...because in the end, they don't really matter. Fight and work for what you believe in, your causes, just not the exclusion of all else and what REALLY matters.

[jshuberg]

I would say that generally I agree with you. Guns aren't one of the important things in life, they're what we use to protect and ensure the things that are important. Most people in the US are fortunate to never have had to use a gun to defend themselves or their loved ones, but many people have. The presence of firearms is also a deterrent to tyranny that might rob people of those things that are the most important.

When our ability to own and carry guns is threatened, our means to defend the things that are most important in life are also threatened. A free man should fight to keep his gun as strongly as he would fight for those things his gun exists to protect.