My Proposal for a "Well-Regulated Militia"

[Tronster]

Man, I could really go for a sloppy burger and a big gulp right now (not available in NYC, other restrictions may apply)...

...and NO, my firearm ownership will NOT be contingent on any kind of mandatory "group activity".

[Lumpy]

Perhaps there's some misunderstanding: the proposal is specifically designed so that no facet of it can be used to deny someone the right to own a gun. It's not that if you haven't passed the training you're forbidden a gun; it's that if you choose to own a gun, then the training is incumbent upon you. And one eight-hour class (paid for by the state) once every five years is no more burden than what permit holders go through now. It's a lot less that what most states required of the armed populace back when annual musters were held.

Also, I don't get the reference to Michael Jackson or the guys eating in the car.

[Nougat]

Also, I don't get the reference to Michael Jackson or the guys eating in the car.

they're going to sit back and watch where the thread goes...pretty sure it also means they expect drama?

well regulated certainly doesn't mean restricted and encumbered paired with the should be equal to bit? haven't heard of it being suggested that even FA bans are un2A (cuz mili has) before though

[Erud]

Perhaps there's some misunderstanding: the proposal is specifically designed so that no facet of it can be used to deny someone the right to own a gun. It's not that if you haven't passed the training you're forbidden a gun; it's that if you choose to own a gun, then the training is incumbent upon you. And one eight-hour class (paid for by the state) once every five years is no more burden than what permit holders go through now. It's a lot less that what most states required of the armed populace back when annual musters were held.

Also, I don't get the reference to Michael Jackson or the guys eating in the car.

I don't think anyone misunderstood the proposal, it's just that that isn't how rights work.

[Ghost]

Also, I don't get the reference to Michael Jackson or the guys eating in the car.

they're going to sit back and watch where the thread goes...pretty sure it also means they expect drama?

Bingo, was looking for an in.gif but saw the car and it fit with Mr. Thriller.

Imagine if all gun owners came together and voted the same way. Even if half of us did. We'd run the country. This would be a more useful plan, figure that one out.

[Lumpy]

What about back when they actually held annual musters? How was that different?

[Rip Van Winkle]

What about back when they actually held annual musters? How was that different?

You mean like when the men of the community got together to practice for their common self defense?

Why would we want that when we can have a centralized government commanding an enormous army who can crush any resistance to it's tyrannical will?

[Tronster]

What about back when they actually held annual musters? How was that different?

What if someone is too old or physically unable to perform these militia duties? Are they barred from owning firearms then?
Since the militia was comprised of all men, would women be excluded from duty or firearm ownership?

The militia was an immediate defense against foreign nations trying to gain territory in the new world and Native Indians fighting to keep their land when a formal government army response might take days or weeks to react. I still believe that arms are a last resort against our own government, but we're not frontiersmen fighting in the wilderness anymore.

[Randygmn]

We should be pushing for what our founders intended, "no infringements", not placating our political enemies. As far as I'm concerned, EVERY law EVER passed regarding the control/regulation of ANY firearm is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

We will never appease the gun grabbing traitors. We should stop trying. Instead, we should be focusing our efforts on validating our rights the govt has stolen from us. We should start with repealing the heinous gun control acts and NFA nonsense. Then, we should legislate that any proposal for any/all forms of gun control be prosecuted under the purview of TREASON.

Our elections matter folks. Our voices matter. The Supreme Court matters most of all.

[goett047]

Isn't this essentially to Jim Crow laws and voting? Why is it so many people either do not understand or are willing to compromise on such a simple phrase as "shall not be infringed"? Why not have some "common sense" 5th amendment legislation, or 4th?
Giving up individual rights is a piss poor way to negotiate. Especially when the other side wants them all and will not be satisfied until they have them. (ie. socialism) The government already has too much regulation of firearms. Attaching any more strings to them is insane. How would you feel if in order to exercise your 1st amendment right you had a to attend regular training on bullying, micro aggression and such. Apply your idea to any of the other parts of the Bill of Rights and people would be outraged.

[xd ED]

Isn't this essentially to Jim Crow laws and voting? Why is it so many people either do not understand or are willing to compromise on such a simple phrase as "shall not be infringed"? Why not have some "common sense" 5th amendment legislation, or 4th?
Giving up individual rights is a piss poor way to negotiate. Especially when the other side wants them all and will not be satisfied until they have them. (ie. socialism) The government already has too much regulation of firearms. Attaching any more strings to them is insane. How would you feel if in order to exercise your 1st amendment right you had a to attend regular training on bullying, micro aggression and such. Apply your idea to any of the other parts of the Bill of Rights and people would be outraged.

yeah, but, it's only the other 9 Amendments of the Bill of Rights that apply to the individual...

I'm fascinated by all the St Paul/ Grand Ave lefty types jumping up and down about their 'right' to free parking/ unencumbered shopping being infringed upon; shows what's important to some

[goett047]

It shows what we take for granted

[Erud]

What about back when they actually held annual musters? How was that different?

Well, were those musters mandated by the federal government as a prerequisite to private ownership of firearms? If not, then there's one difference.

[jshuberg]

What the hell are you people talking about? You're just blabbing a bunch of ideas on the Internet. Has anyone here actually written legislation? Found a legislator or member of congress to introduce it? Lobbied for passage and signage of the bill?

I find it somewhat amusing to read lengthy discussions on what laws should be passed by a bunch of people who have done absolutely nothing and intend to do absolutely nothing about the ideas being presented...

If anyone genuinely believes that a change in the law should be made, there's a way to go about doing it. And this thread ain't it.

[Erud]

What the hell are you people talking about? You're just blabbing a bunch of ideas on the Internet. Has anyone here actually written legislation? Found a legislator or member of congress to introduce it? Lobbied for passage and signage of the bill?

I find it somewhat amusing to read lengthy discussions on what laws should be passed by a bunch of people who have done absolutely nothing and intend to do absolutely nothing about the ideas being presented...

If anyone genuinely believes that a change in the law should be made, there's a way to go about doing it. And this thread ain't it.

Get over yourself chief, it's the internet. So now if someone has a stupid idea on here we can't even discuss it or make fun of him anymore? Do you really want someone writing this particular piece of legislation?

Also, isn't this your 3rd post in this thread?