Citiot wrote:Don't go down the rabbit hole.
A teacher with a permit-to-carry is trusted all over the state to carry a gun..... except in a school. Why?
A teacher with a PTC (while not working for the school) is trusted to carry around children in Chuck-E-Cheese, Southdale, Museums, Zoos, Sunday School, at Easter egg hunts, in parks, at Bar Mitsvahs, at Boy and Girl Scout outings, at quinceañeras etc.... why the need for anything special in a school?
Keep the argument to this simple point.
(I do realize that a principal can give permission for staff to carry in a school. I am saying that this should not need any extra permission)
bstrawse wrote:There are a number of actual school safety bills moving through the Minnesota House & Senate - including bills to fund school resource officers, physical security assessments, change drills & active shooter training, require threat assessment teams and processes, fund physical security improvements, and so on.
There is a bill that removes the permission requirement for a teacher or staff member to carry a firearm.
We expect most of these changes to pass and become law this session.
yukonjasper wrote:Don't under estimate the teachers union's ability to create more dues paying members. If they think about it, the liberals will have another excuse for expanding spending for education. Possibly even an entirely new division of Homeland Security.
xd ED wrote:Bearcatrp wrote:Metal detectors will help with kids sneaking guns into school but won’t stop the nut fully armed and ready to kill. The nut can select a side window to shoot out to gain entry and start slaughtering. He could wait until school starts then attack. Arming teachers have shown problematic. Not sure the answer to this problem either.
.....Arming teachers have shown problematic.......
When, where?
Bearcatrp wrote:xd ED wrote:Bearcatrp wrote:Metal detectors will help with kids sneaking guns into school but won’t stop the nut fully armed and ready to kill. The nut can select a side window to shoot out to gain entry and start slaughtering. He could wait until school starts then attack. Arming teachers have shown problematic. Not sure the answer to this problem either.
.....Arming teachers have shown problematic.......
When, where?
I believe it was a teacher in Florida had brought a gun to class legally and started shooting it, not at the kids though. You also had a reserve cop at a school who said he had to make sure the gun did not have a round chambered and while checking it went off. You also had a armed resource officer talking to some kids in a common area and a kid with small fingers managed to fire the gun while in the holster. Best to leave armed officers out side patrolling while have one point of entry with metal detectors to check kids going in. Once the bell rings, seal up the building. Let about 3 or 4 officers monitor the outside.
Bearcatrp wrote:xd ED wrote:Bearcatrp wrote:Metal detectors will help with kids sneaking guns into school but won’t stop the nut fully armed and ready to kill. The nut can select a side window to shoot out to gain entry and start slaughtering. He could wait until school starts then attack. Arming teachers have shown problematic. Not sure the answer to this problem either.
.....Arming teachers have shown problematic.......
When, where?
I believe it was a teacher in Florida had brought a gun to class legally and started shooting it, not at the kids though. You also had a reserve cop at a school who said he had to make sure the gun did not have a round chambered and while checking it went off. You also had a armed resource officer talking to some kids in a common area and a kid with small fingers managed to fire the gun while in the holster. Best to leave armed officers out side patrolling while have one point of entry with metal detectors to check kids going in. Once the bell rings, seal up the building. Let about 3 or 4 officers monitor the outside.
Bearcatrp wrote:xd ED wrote:Bearcatrp wrote:Metal detectors will help with kids sneaking guns into school but won’t stop the nut fully armed and ready to kill. The nut can select a side window to shoot out to gain entry and start slaughtering. He could wait until school starts then attack. Arming teachers have shown problematic. Not sure the answer to this problem either.
.....Arming teachers have shown problematic.......
When, where?
I believe it was a teacher in Florida had brought a gun to class legally and started shooting it, not at the kids though. You also had a reserve cop at a school who said he had to make sure the gun did not have a round chambered and while checking it went off. You also had a armed resource officer talking to some kids in a common area and a kid with small fingers managed to fire the gun while in the holster. Best to leave armed officers out side patrolling while have one point of entry with metal detectors to check kids going in. Once the bell rings, seal up the building. Let about 3 or 4 officers monitor the outside.
Bearcatrp wrote:xd ED wrote:Bearcatrp wrote:Metal detectors will help with kids sneaking guns into school but won’t stop the nut fully armed and ready to kill. The nut can select a side window to shoot out to gain entry and start slaughtering. He could wait until school starts then attack. Arming teachers have shown problematic. Not sure the answer to this problem either.
.....Arming teachers have shown problematic.......
When, where?
I believe it was a teacher in Florida had brought a gun to class legally and started shooting it, not at the kids though. You also had a reserve cop at a school who said he had to make sure the gun did not have a round chambered and while checking it went off. You also had a armed resource officer talking to some kids in a common area and a kid with small fingers managed to fire the gun while in the holster. Best to leave armed officers out side patrolling while have one point of entry with metal detectors to check kids going in. Once the bell rings, seal up the building. Let about 3 or 4 officers monitor the outside.
northernbird wrote:bstrawse wrote:There are a number of actual school safety bills moving through the Minnesota House & Senate - including bills to fund school resource officers, physical security assessments, change drills & active shooter training, require threat assessment teams and processes, fund physical security improvements, and so on.
There is a bill that removes the permission requirement for a teacher or staff member to carry a firearm.
We expect most of these changes to pass and become law this session.
Thats awesome! Can we bring more attention to these in some way? The anti's dont talk about these.. I'd like to be one talking about real solutions.
I dont disagree with your previous post, that the simple point is that schools should not be gun free zones.. people trusted elsewhere should be trusted there as well. My concern is that 'for the childrens safety' no one will be trusted anywhere with more than a single shot smoke pole. Unless we open some eyes to the actual 'common sense' steps that can and should be taken (and maybe actually are) the ignorant are going to hop on the bandwagon of 'we have to do something to prevent these tragedies'.
Brian - would you guys consider sending out an email to the MN Gun owners caucus outlining some of these bills? I think it would be really nice to be able to call my reps and ask them to help push those through, as well as to use them as a good redirect for people I talk with that dont fully support the crazies but are getting pushed that way because they just think something needs to be done.
Thanks.
northernbird wrote:bstrawse wrote:There are a number of actual school safety bills moving through the Minnesota House & Senate - including bills to fund school resource officers, physical security assessments, change drills & active shooter training, require threat assessment teams and processes, fund physical security improvements, and so on.
There is a bill that removes the permission requirement for a teacher or staff member to carry a firearm.
We expect most of these changes to pass and become law this session.
Thats awesome! Can we bring more attention to these in some way? The anti's dont talk about these.. I'd like to be one talking about real solutions.
I dont disagree with your previous post, that the simple point is that schools should not be gun free zones.. people trusted elsewhere should be trusted there as well. My concern is that 'for the childrens safety' no one will be trusted anywhere with more than a single shot smoke pole. Unless we open some eyes to the actual 'common sense' steps that can and should be taken (and maybe actually are) the ignorant are going to hop on the bandwagon of 'we have to do something to prevent these tragedies'.
Brian - would you guys consider sending out an email to the MN Gun owners caucus outlining some of these bills? I think it would be really nice to be able to call my reps and ask them to help push those through, as well as to use them as a good redirect for people I talk with that dont fully support the crazies but are getting pushed that way because they just think something needs to be done.
Thanks.
rtk wrote:yukonjasper wrote:Don't under estimate the teachers union's ability to create more dues paying members. If they think about it, the liberals will have another excuse for expanding spending for education. Possibly even an entirely new division of Homeland Security.
That's a reach...
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