commerce dept soliciting holster sales information

[crbutler]

You are correct.

I thought there were more duck hunters. I was incorrect on how many there are. The number is 550,000 hunters, not duck hunters by licenses sold.

[Holland&Holland]

You are correct.

I thought there were more duck hunters. I was incorrect on how many there are. The number is 550,000 hunters, not duck hunters by licenses sold.

Well we can all agree we need more

[Jackpine Savage]

Sheesh, the country and the world are falling apart and MNGunTalk is arguing about holsters per firearm.

[LarryFlew]

Sheesh, the country and the world are falling apart and MNGunTalk is arguing about holsters per firearm.

'cause we need to talk about anything gun related

BTW pole and stat numbers are 90% what the writer wants them to be depending on who you're asking.....................

[Holland&Holland]

Sheesh, the country and the world are falling apart and MNGunTalk is arguing about holsters per firearm.

'cause we need to talk about anything gun related

BTW pole and stat numbers are 90% what the writer wants them to be depending on who you're asking.....................

What else are we going to do with our day?

[Erud]

I am glad the holsters per gun issue got settled, I had a hard time getting to sleep last night with that unresolved.

Seriously though, why would the feds do this? Presumably they can access state carry permit databases, can't they? Are they cross-referencing holster sales vs. permit lists to find unlicensed people who might be carrying? That seems hard to believe, since it's the legal firearm owners/users that they're after, not criminals. I don't understand the angle.

[Holland&Holland]

I am glad the holsters per gun issue got settled, I had a hard time getting to sleep last night with that unresolved.

Seriously though, why would the feds do this? Presumably they can access state carry permit databases, can't they? Are they cross-referencing holster sales vs. permit lists to find unlicensed people who might be carrying? That seems hard to believe, since it's the legal firearm owners/users that they're after, not criminals. I don't understand the angle.

When they come to take your guns they want to make sure they have a full list of those they need to take them from.

[Jackpine Savage]

I am glad the holsters per gun issue got settled, I had a hard time getting to sleep last night with that unresolved.

Seriously though, why would the feds do this? Presumably they can access state carry permit databases, can't they? Are they cross-referencing holster sales vs. permit lists to find unlicensed people who might be carrying? That seems hard to believe, since it's the legal firearm owners/users that they're after, not criminals. I don't understand the angle.

The Feds are vacuuming up every bit of data they can. There was just a situation down in MO a few weeks ago where the Feebs tried to 'audit' a Sheriff's carry permit database. The Sheriff refused based on state privacy law but I haven't seen any recent updates.

The ATF has been digitizing all the 4473's that are sent in when FFL's retire or go out of business.

A few years ago, as Township Treasurer, I had to sign onto a FedGov website to administer a Federal grant. To prove who I was, I had to answer several questions. This was all computer generated. One question was what brand of canoe I purchased in 1987. Another was what brand of truck I purchased in 1991.

You've read 1984 haven't you? It's here.

[Erud]

I am glad the holsters per gun issue got settled, I had a hard time getting to sleep last night with that unresolved.

Seriously though, why would the feds do this? Presumably they can access state carry permit databases, can't they? Are they cross-referencing holster sales vs. permit lists to find unlicensed people who might be carrying? That seems hard to believe, since it's the legal firearm owners/users that they're after, not criminals. I don't understand the angle.

When they come to take your guns they want to make sure they have a full list of those they need to take them from.

Are you saying that they are planning to go take guns away from criminals then, as opposed to just legal firearms owners? Boy, that'd be a refreshing twist.

[crbutler]

That they are trying to find a half arsed back door way to gun registration is wrong, but doesn’t really surprise me.

But if you are willing to make up a statistic to show that they are doing wrong, your argument looks silly.

I don’t think there is any law saying anyone, even a prohibited person or 10 year old kid, cannot buy a holster. To me, this is appropriately the grounds for congress to justify a spending cut as it’s useless information and patently a waste of government time and money… and the argument is there. If the government official says that this was an attempt to get around the gun registration law, then that person should be tried for misprision in office as the law is pretty clear- no registry.

If the left wants to change the law, that’s the appropriate way to create a database on it, and they should be allowed to run this out to the electorate, not try and create on their own.

[Holland&Holland]

I am glad the holsters per gun issue got settled, I had a hard time getting to sleep last night with that unresolved.

Seriously though, why would the feds do this? Presumably they can access state carry permit databases, can't they? Are they cross-referencing holster sales vs. permit lists to find unlicensed people who might be carrying? That seems hard to believe, since it's the legal firearm owners/users that they're after, not criminals. I don't understand the angle.

When they come to take your guns they want to make sure they have a full list of those they need to take them from.

Are you saying that they are planning to go take guns away from criminals then, as opposed to just legal firearms owners? Boy, that'd be a refreshing twist.

Once they outlaw private ownership of firearms what is the difference to them?

[Holland&Holland]

That they are trying to find a half arsed back door way to gun registration is wrong, but doesn’t really surprise me.

But if you are willing to make up a statistic to show that they are doing wrong, your argument looks silly.

I don’t think there is any law saying anyone, even a prohibited person or 10 year old kid, cannot buy a holster. To me, this is appropriately the grounds for congress to justify a spending cut as it’s useless information and patently a waste of government time and money… and the argument is there. If the government official says that this was an attempt to get around the gun registration law, then that person should be tried for misprision in office as the law is pretty clear- no registry.

If the left wants to change the law, that’s the appropriate way to create a database on it, and they should be allowed to run this out to the electorate, not try and create on their own.

So the left is following the law now? I guess I missed that memo.

[Jackpine Savage]

If the government official says that this was an attempt to get around the gun registration law, then that person should be tried for misprision in office as the law is pretty clear- no registry.

I'm sorry crbutler, but this is 1970's thinking. Our federal bureaucracies have been lying to congress for years, and are never held to account. Think Holder, Brennan, Comey, Lerner, etc, etc, etc. Think NSA spying.

I was listening to some knowledgeable people talk about the recent Feeb guidance to identify domestic violent extremists (DVE). Once they can identify someone as a DVE, that unlocks the keys via the Patriot Act. They can surveil you at will, electronically and thoroughly. Then, as they say, show me the man, and I'll show you the crime.

[Glenn_S]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OaF-j8x5Vc

[Holland&Holland]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OaF-j8x5Vc

Door to door is so last century, a few keys on a keyboard will be all it takes to get most.