Ron Paul wins GOP debate last night

[JFettig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fZWNzx0 ... ate%2Ehtml

Ron Paul won the poll at 34% where the other guys were sitting at 16% or less but Fox News suppressed that poll and accused "paulites" of voting twice. Its impossible to vote twice, it txt you back saying you've already voted....


Jon

[joelr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fZWNzx0ouw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fronpauldaily%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F2007%2F09%2Fvideo%2Dron%2Dpauls%2Dparts%2Dduring%2Ddebate%2Ehtml

Ron Paul won the poll at 34% where the other guys were sitting at 16% or less but Fox News suppressed that poll and accused "paulites" of voting twice. Its impossible to vote twice, it txt you back saying you've already voted....


Jon

Impossible? Nah. It might not even be difficult, if the program just looks for a cookie instead of keeping a list of IP addresses; clearing cookies is easy, although getting a new IP address repeatedly can be a challenge.

There's been a history of Paul fanatics spamming online polls; see http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/5/ ... 90386A650/ for just one or two examples, depending on how you count. Or, if you want to look at the issue in some depth, you could try this link.

Short form: conventional polling pretty consistently shows Ron Paul roughly in a dead heat with a Mr. M. Mouse; spammable polls consistently have him doing much, much better.

[JFettig]

Joel, it was not an online vote, it was a vote that could only be cast on a cell phone, the only way for someone to vote more than once is to have multiple cell phones.


Jon

[joelr]

Joel, it was not an online vote, it was a vote that could only be cast on a cell phone, the only way for someone to vote more than once is to have multiple cell phones.

Jon

And that could never happen?

[gunflint]

In my way of thinking Fred won last night.

[SethB]

Joel, it was not an online vote, it was a vote that could only be cast on a cell phone, the only way for someone to vote more than once is to have multiple cell phones.

Jon

And that could never happen?

And the typical Ron Paul supporter has more cellphones than the typical other pollee and is willing to send more messages?

Or perhaps 20% of Ron Paul's supporters are willing to go to the effort of replying, and only 10% of other candidates' supporters are? That would overstate the quantity of support, but not the strength.

[hammAR]

In my way of thinking Fred won last night.

yep.................

[brauchma]

In my way of thinking Fred won last night.

yep.................

I agree as well... I am sick of the "politicking" already...this early in the "race". I am glad he sat it out and announced instead. there will be plenty more debates for him to partake in.

[nyffman]

Ron Paul wins GOP debate last night

That's what the poll says, me, I think not. Granted, I only listened to part of it since I was at work, but I wasn't terribly impressed by what I heard. Maybe if you're a single issue, 2A person, he would be ok, but I'm not ready to commit to his side.

[Srigs]

In my way of thinking Fred won last night.

yep.................

Yep also. He was smart enough to avoid this one.

[Pat Cannon]

Ahh, you Ron Paul doubters probably didn't think Jesse'd win either.

[hammAR]

Ahh, you Ron Paul doubters probably didn't think Jesse'd win either.

Crap, I'm having flashbacks............corpsman up..............

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[JFettig]

Since you mentioned Fred, here is an interesting read.
Fred's voting record

Fred Thompson’s Anti-Gun Senate Record

The Conservatives Against Fred Thompson volunteers have compiled a list of proposals supported by Fred Dalton Thompson in the senate that include Gun Bans, confiscations and limitations to the free speech of Gun Rights Advocates. Dates and bill numbers are provided so this information can be easily verified. Summary:
1. Anti-gun terror bill (S. 735 )

On June 7, 1995, the Senate passed an anti-gun terror bill (S. 735) by a vote of 91-8. This version of the terror bill included: a BATF pay increase of $100 million; a provision authorizing “roving wiretaps” allowing government officials to wiretap one’s home if a person under investigation visits the home — even if one had no knowledge the person was a suspect; a weakening of the Posse Commitatus law to give the military more authority to get involved in law enforcement in certain circumstances; a grant of power to the FBI to conduct “fishing expeditions” and secure one’s financial and travel records in certain circumstances without any evidence one has committed a crime; and finally, the “Randy Weaver entrapment provision” which extends the statute of limitations for violations under the National Firearms Act of 1934 from three to five years. Thompson voted in favor of the bill.

2. Anti-gun terror bill — final passage

On April 17, 1996, the Senate passed the conference version of the anti-terrorism bill by a vote of 91-8. The final version of the bill (S. 735) contained several problems, including ones that will: order an “anti-hunter” rifle and ammo study; authorize a $40 million pay increase for the BATF (through the Treasury Department); potentially punish gun dealers (and individuals) for selling ammunition to someone they should have known would commit a violent crime; federalize many state crimes, thus tremendously increasing the scope and jurisdiction of the BATF; restrict the right of habeas corpus in such a way as to severely damage the ability of the courts to rescue honest gun owners who are unjustly incarcerated; allow the government to use “secret evidence” against certain individuals; remove protections against wiretapping wireless data; and require banks to freeze the assets of domestic groups in certain situations. Thompson once again voted in favor of the bill.

3. Taggants in gunpowder

On September 12, 1996, the Senate voted (57-42) to keep an anti-gun amendment off of the Treasury-Postal appropriations bill (H.R. 3756). The Kerry amendment — which Thompson voted for– would have made funds available for a study of tagging explosive materials, including black and smokeless powders (thus setting the stage for registering ammunition). The amendment also sought to further demonize firearms by selectively examining the misuse of firearms by criminals. The study would not examine the number of times firearms are used to save the lives of decent citizens.

4. Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation gun ban

On September 12, 1996, the Senate passed the Lautenberg gun ban as an amendment to the Treasury-Postal appropriations bill (H.R. 3756). The Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation Gun Ban disarms gun owners for small (misdemeanor) offenses in the home — “offenses” as slight as spanking a child or grabbing a spouse. This lifetime ban, in certain cases, can even be imposed without a trial by jury. It is also retroactive, so it does not matter if the offense occurred 20 years ago. Thompson voted in favor of the amendment.

5. Free Speech restrictions

On October 7, 1997, the Senate defeated an “Incumbent Protection Bill” (S. 25) which would have resulted in the government regulation of GOA’s newsletters and other communications with its members, while expanding the relative political power of the liberal media and other anti-gun forces. Senators failed in their effort, 53 to 47, to shut down a filibuster of the bill that was ostensibly aimed at reforming campaign finance laws.

6. Smith “Anti-Brady” Amendment

On July 21, 1998, pro-gun Senator Bob Smith (R-NH) introduced an “Anti-Brady” amendment that passed by a vote of 69-31. The Smith amendment would prohibit the FBI from using Brady background checks to tax or register gun owners. Further, the amendment requires the “immediate destruction of all [gun buyer] information, in any form whatsoever.” Finally, if the FBI disregards this latter provision, the Smith language will allow private citizens to sue the agency and collect monetary damages, including attorney’s fees. Thompson, in keeping with his tendency to usually vote for expanded federal police power, voted against this limitation of FBI registration of gun owners.

7. Anti-gun Clinton judge appointment

On February 11, 1998, the Senate voted 67-28 to confirm Margaret Morrow to the Federal bench. GOA vigorously opposed this Clinton-appointed judge, as she has not only taken strident anti-gun positions, she has showed herself to be a gun control activist.

8. Anti-gun Surgeon General

Having nominated anti-gun David Satcher for Surgeon General, President Bill Clinton was forced to wait several months as debate raged over his controversial pick. But on February 10, 1998, the President finally realized victory. By a vote of 75-23, anti-gun Republicans teamed up with the Democrats to kill the filibuster over the Satcher nomination. Mr. Satcher was later confirmed by a vote of 63-35. Since the key vote was to end the filibuster, that is the one that was rated by GOA.

9. Ending the filibuster of a major anti-gun crime bill

On July 28, 1999, the Senate ended a filibuster led by Senator Bob Smith (I-NH) — a filibuster intended to keep anti-gun crime legislation from progressing any further. After the 77-22 vote, the Senate moved to send the language of the anti-gun Senate crime bill (S. 254) to a House-Senate conference committee. Thompson voted to break the pro-gun filibuster.

10. Young adult gun ban

The young adult gun ban could severely punish parents who allow their kids to even touch a so-called semi-automatic “assault weapon.” While the amendment allows for certain exemptions, there are some imponderable questions which NO senator could answer, but which a parent would have to answer in order to avoid incarceration. For example: What is a “semiautomatic assault weapon”? The definition, plus exemptions, takes up six pages of fine print in the U.S. Code. Second, a child can handle a banned semi-auto if he is in the “immediate and supervisory presence” of a parent or if he possess a written permission slip from the parent. But what happens when, during a target practice session, the parent walks to the car to retrieve his lunch and the juvenile is no longer in the parents “immediate” presence and does not have a permission slip? A parent can receive jail time for this infraction. The provision passed the Senate on May 13, 1999, with Thompson voting in the majority.

11. Adopting the “Gun Control Lite” strategy

On May 13, 1999, a majority of Senators — including Thompson — defeated a motion to table (or kill) an anti-gun amendment introduced by Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Larry Craig (R-WY). This amendment was offered as an alternative to gun control proposals being pushed by Sen. Frank Lautenberg.
12. McCain’s Incumbent Protection (2000 version)

By 59 to 41, the Senate passed S. 27, to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act to include Incumbent Protection provisions. The bill severely curtails the ability of outside groups such as GOA to communicate the actions of incumbent politicians to members and supporters prior to an election.

13. Incumbent Protection (2002 failed filibuster)

This was the key vote in the Senate regarding the odious Incumbent Protection bill in 2002 (H.R. 2356). The legislation finally became law that year. As he had on previous occasions, Thompson voted in favor of the bill.

[nyffman]

Ahh, you Ron Paul doubters probably didn't think Jesse'd win either.

I'm not saying anything about his chances, it's way too early for any of that. Most of what I think I know about him is good. But the most prominent view of his that I latched on to from the debate was to get the troops out of Iraq asap. I just think that's shortsighted and wrong.

[Aquaholic]

Ahh, you Ron Paul doubters probably didn't think Jesse'd win either.

I'm not saying anything about his chances, it's way too early for any of that. Most of what I think I know about him is good. But the most prominent view of his that I latched on to from the debate was to get the troops out of Iraq asap. I just think that's shortsighted and wrong.

Yeah, Ron Paul lost any chance of getting my vote there too. It seems he'd like to see us bring all our military home from everywhere in the world, station them at our borders and "lock us down".

Does he really think that would prevent the Jihadists from still wanting to kill us? He seems to actually think so, from his comment in the debate about the reason we were attacked on 9/11 is because we had troops in Saudi Arabia. Umm, don't think that was the only (or real) reason. Listen to OBL's own words many times since. We can prevent further attacks by converting to Islam. Over my dead (and no doubt beheaded) body.