Mobilization to Override Governor Dayton's Veto

[SlimNolan]

Gents/Gals,

I am pissed that Governor Dayton Vetoed this Bill. That is why I am here and I ask for your support. Here is the list of Senate and House that voted "NO". We need to try to override this veto. Please contact these people and tell them how you feel. I have an Ecel format if anyone is interested. Lets unite and do our part!! As you can see below, many of the DFL senators that voted "no" do not provide an email address. You have to go to the state web site and use the individual senator's form. Following the list I will provide a block of emails on the list for anyone to send a mass email. Additionally, I was having difficulty finding out who didn't vote. Input is welcome if they know something I don't know. Moreover, I think that we should rally the good people who actually voted for this Bill and try to get the necessary votes to over turn this horrible decision. Lastly, please forward to anyone who believes in your right to defend yourself and family or organizations that have membership who support our view point (IDPA, USPSA, ISPA, etc). Does anyone have any ideas about how to actually get the opinions of the "rank and file police"? This is what killed our chances in the Governors eyes. If we could conduct a survey, petition and get the real sentiments of law enforcement, I see the possibility of an override.

Kind Regards,
Ben S.

House Email Phone
Allen rep.susan.allen@house.mn 651-296-7152
Benson, J. rep.john.benson@house.mn 651-296-9934
Brynaert rep.kathy.brynaert@house.mn 651-296-3248
Carlson rep.lyndon.carlson@house.mn 651-296-4255
Champion rep.bobby.champion@house.mn 651-296-8659
Clark rep.karen.clark@house.mn 651-296-0294
Davnie rep.jim.davnie@house.mn 651-296-0173
Dittrich rep.denise.dittrich@house.mn 651-296-5513
Falk rep.andrew.falk@house.mn 651-296-4228
Fritz rep.patti.fritz@house.mn 651-296-8237
Gauthier rep.kerry.gauthier@house.mn 651-296-4246
Greene rep.marion.greene@house.mn 651-296-0171
Greiling rep.mindy.greiling@house.mn 651-296-5387
Hansen rep.rick.hansen@house.mn 651-296-6828
Hausman rep.alice.hausman@house.mn 651-296-3824
Hilstrom rep.debra.hilstrom@house.mn 651-296-3709
Hilty rep.bill.hilty@house.mn 651-296-4308
Hornstein rep.frank.hornstein@house.mn 651-296-9281
Hortman rep.melissa.hortman@house.mn 651-296-4280
Huntley rep.thomas.huntley@house.mn 651-296-2228
Johnson rep.sheldon.johnson@house.mn 651-296-4201
Knuth rep.kate.knuth@house.mn 651-296-0141
Laine rep.carolyn.laine@house.mn 651-296-4331
Lenczewski rep.ann.lenczewski@house.mn 651-296-4218
Lesch rep.john.lesch@house.mn 651-296-4224
Liebling rep.tina.liebling@house.mn 651-296-0573
Lillie rep.leon.lillie@house.mn 651-296-1188
Loeffler rep.diane.loeffler@house.mn 651-296-4219
Mahoney rep.tim.mahoney@house.mn 651-296-4277
Mariani rep.carlos.mariani@house.mn 651-296-9714
Moran rep.rena.moran@house.mn 651-296-5158
Morrow rep.terry.morrow@house.mn 651-296-8634
Mullery rep.joe.mullery@house.mn 651-296-4262
Murphy, E. rep.erin.murphy@house.mn 651-296-8799
Nelson rep.michael.nelson@house.mn 651-296-3751
Norton rep.kim.norton@house.mn 651-296-9249
Paymar rep.michael.paymar@house.mn 651-296-4199
Pelowski rep.gene.pelowski@house.mn 651-296-8637
Peterson, S. rep.sandra.peterson@house.mn 651-296-4176
Scalze rep.bev.scalze@house.mn 651-296-7153
Simon rep.steve.simon@house.mn 651-296-9889
Slawik rep.nora.slawik@house.mn 651-296-7807
Slocum rep.linda.slocum@house.mn 651-296-7158
Thissen rep.paul.thissen@house.mn 651-296-5375
Tillberry rep.tom.tillberry@house.mn 651-296-5510
Wagenius rep.jean.wagenius@house.mn 651-296-4200
Winkler rep.ryan.winkler@house.mn 651-296-7026

Excused
Khan rep.phyllis.kahn@house.mn 651-296-6612
Banaian rep.king.banaian@house.mn 651-296-6612

Senate Email Phone

Bakk (651) 296-8881
Bonoff sen.terri.bonoff@senate.mn (651) 296-4314
Cohen (651) 296-5931
Dibble sen.scott.dibble@senate.mn (651) 296-4191
Dziedzic sen.kari.dziedzic@senate.mn (651) 296-7809
Eaton (651) 296-8869
Goodwin (651) 296-4334
Harrington sen.john.harrington@senate.mn (651) 296-5285
Hayden sen.jeff.hayden@senate.mn (651) 296-4261
Higgins sen.linda.higgins@senate.mn (651) 296-9246
Langseth (651) 296-3205
Latz sen.ron.latz@senate.mn (651) 297-8065
Lourey sen.tony.lourey@senate.mn (651) 296-0293
Marty (651) 296-5645
McGuire (651) 296-5537
Metzen sen.jim.metzen@senate.mn (651) 296-4370
Michel sen.geoff.michel@senate.mn (651) 296-6238
Pappas (651) 296-1802
Reinert sen.roger.reinert@senate.mn (651) 296-4188
Rest (651) 296-2889
Sheran sen.kathy.sheran@senate.mn (651) 296-6153
Sieben sen.katie.sieben@senate.mn (651) 297-8060
Wiger sen.chuck.wiger@senate.mn (651) 296-6820

Excused Email Phone
Kelash (651) 297-8061
Torres Ray (651) 296-4274
Kubly sen.gary.kubly@senate.mn (651) 296-5094
Stumpf (651) 296-8660


The following is a list of the Senators and reps that Voted "No" or didn't vote: Copy and paste into address box and crush these people with your words.

rep.susan.allen@house.mn
rep.john.benson@house.mn
rep.kathy.brynaert@house.mn
rep.lyndon.carlson@house.mn
rep.bobby.champion@house.mn
rep.karen.clark@house.mn
rep.jim.davnie@house.mn
rep.denise.dittrich@house.mn
rep.andrew.falk@house.mn
rep.patti.fritz@house.mn
rep.kerry.gauthier@house.mn
rep.marion.greene@house.mn
rep.mindy.greiling@house.mn
rep.rick.hansen@house.mn
rep.alice.hausman@house.mn
rep.debra.hilstrom@house.mn
rep.bill.hilty@house.mn
rep.frank.hornstein@house.mn
rep.melissa.hortman@house.mn
rep.thomas.huntley@house.mn
rep.sheldon.johnson@house.mn
rep.kate.knuth@house.mn
rep.carolyn.laine@house.mn
rep.ann.lenczewski@house.mn
rep.john.lesch@house.mn
rep.tina.liebling@house.mn
rep.leon.lillie@house.mn
rep.diane.loeffler@house.mn
rep.tim.mahoney@house.mn
rep.carlos.mariani@house.mn
rep.rena.moran@house.mn
rep.terry.morrow@house.mn
rep.joe.mullery@house.mn
rep.erin.murphy@house.mn
rep.michael.nelson@house.mn
rep.kim.norton@house.mn
rep.michael.paymar@house.mn
rep.gene.pelowski@house.mn
rep.sandra.peterson@house.mn
rep.bev.scalze@house.mn
rep.steve.simon@house.mn
rep.nora.slawik@house.mn
rep.linda.slocum@house.mn
rep.paul.thissen@house.mn
rep.tom.tillberry@house.mn
rep.jean.wagenius@house.mn
rep.ryan.winkler@house.mn
rep.phyllis.kahn@house.mn
rep.king.banaian@house.mn
sen.terri.bonoff@senate.mn
sen.scott.dibble@senate.mn
sen.kari.dziedzic@senate.mn
sen.john.harrington@senate.mn
sen.jeff.hayden@senate.mn
sen.linda.higgins@senate.mn
sen.ron.latz@senate.mn
sen.tony.lourey@senate.mn
sen.jim.metzen@senate.mn
sen.geoff.michel@senate.mn
sen.roger.reinert@senate.mn
sen.kathy.sheran@senate.mn
sen.katie.sieben@senate.mn
sen.chuck.wiger@senate.mn
sen.gary.kubly@senate.mn

[chudrockz]

That's a good resource, I'm going to look and see how my local folks voted after work.

[gunforhire]

I am gonna work on this all day. I shared this list on farcebook

[Kskybroom]

Where do you look for how your rep voted ??

[plblark]

Original House vote: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/cco/journals/2011-12/J0514056.htm#3818 79-50
Senate Vote:http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/journals/2011-2012/20120223077.pdf#Page77 40-23 (4 absences, 1 of those died, 1 is a west Central Dem, the other two are Mpls Dems)
House Concordance vote: http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/cco/journals/2011-12/J0229079.htm#5799 85-47

[Irish.40]

I emailed everyone on the "no" list. Not sure if it will help any but willing to do whatever it takes to get the political left to stand up for the good guy.

"My name is Ryan. I am a 31 year old husband and father of two great kids. We live in Bloomington, MN. I am writing to you today to express my deep concern about the Governor's actions on this matter. Please show your support for the law-abiding citizens of this state, and stop giving the criminals the benefit of the doubt. By vetoing this bill the Governor showed that only the bad guys are innocent till proven guilty. The good guys will be prosecuted unless they can prove their innocence. Show the people of this state that, for once, their elected officials are not influenced by special interest groups and will stand up for the people that live by the laws of this state.

Please support the good guys and pass HF1467."

[Heretical1]

Interesting... I was sorry to see some of the provisions of this bill go. Unfortunately, overall, with its tremendous overreach, it would have made Gov. Dayton look like a fool to his constituency if he wouldn't have vetoed it. And knowing how lots of women feel about allowing just anyone to carry guns around their children in almost any public place -- especially people from any other state that doesn't require any training as a permit prerequisite -- with a political backstop like that, it would surprise me if the Governor's veto was ever overridden. Don't you think Dayton gamed this out and counted his votes before he vetoed the bill?

Conversely, shouldn't the bill have been tailored to make Dayton look like he was unreasonably and irresponsibly abandoning his constituent's interests, and instead, was fostering the beginnings of a police state? Who the hell was in charge of polling and focus-grouping this bill in its final form? Whoever they are, they're absolutely incompetent. They made cops and women look like they're the last bastion of defense against the barbarian hordes. Okay, snarky hyperbole aside, what rational, reasonable person in a position of leadership (i.e., people who hold sway over public opinion) is going to impugn their credibility by denigrating the needs of mothers and cops?

The Republican leadership in both the MN and the federal legislatures are in a state of disarray. MN recently experienced almost an entire turnover in its top Republican leadership. Senator Koch, her aide, Senator Michel, and 3 others were urged to resign for the good of the party under scandalous circumstances. Federally, a tenured senator, Olympia Snowe, recently abandoned the Republican leadership in Congress (and she won't be the last), thus making it more difficult to capture the Senate in this year's general election.

What's worse yet, is that this is the most inopportune time for the likes of other Republican-dominated state legislatures to figuratively yank out their dicks and piss all over:

1. A woman's right to personal, bodily control, and;
2. Her integrity and privacy in making reproductive healthcare decisions within the inviolable boundaries of a physician-patient relationship.

And if that wasn't bad enough, an out-of-control right-wing shock jock, i.e., Rush Limbaugh, publicly castigated and reviled a college student for offering testimony about how her friend lost an ovary to a cyst because of their parochial university's refusal to make affordable contraceptive healthcare available to its female students. And ranking Republican party leadership is absolutely tongue-tied about it. Small wonder given the extent of Limbaugh's syndication and the size of his audience.

Turn this situation around for a second. What if that college student would have been your son exercising his 1st Amendment right to speak out against his university's refusal to provide insurance coverage for treating sexually transmitted disease? What if all his university offered was an aspirin, and they told him that he would get the best "therapeutic" result by holding it between his knees?

People. We've got to start connecting the dots here. Any legislation that piques the sensibilities of women is likely to be met with considerable backlash from now until the next president is sworn into office. It's high time that we stopped allowing special interests and ideologues to hijack our legislative agendas.

Consider this. Whether it's true or not, and irrespective of the merits of the provisions of this latest personal defense bill, the appearance of the matter is that the concealed-carry/personal defense movement has been hijacked by wing nuts, cowboys, rambos, and borderline gunrunners. Who else would have sent a bill like this to Dayton knowing that they didn't have the votes to override his veto? They tried to shoot the moon on our safety.

[chudrockz]

Okay, I'm genuinely confused. Did this bill have to do with expansion of the so-called "castle doctrine" to include anywhere a person is lawfully present, or something about birth control for college chicks, or both?

[2in2out]

I suspect the college student example was just that, an example.

Seems like Heretical1 was just trying to emphasize that the bill may have succeeded in getting the Governor's signature if it was worded to attract support from the groups that were most opposed to it.

I think we just found our new lobbyist

[Heffay]

The legacy of Sutton continues.

[plblark]

Who the hell was in charge of polling and focus-grouping this bill in its final form? Whoever they are, they're absolutely incompetent. [b]

Welcome you and your 6 posts have enlightened us all. So I can learn from your magnimosity, please log the hours you spent in the last 4 years lining up support for self defense rights. You can also include the time spent researching opposition, prepping for media interviews, speaking to legislators, authoring and revising bills, attending and testifying at committee meetings, and etc...

[Heretical1]

Who the hell was in charge of polling and focus-grouping this bill in its final form? Whoever they are, they're absolutely incompetent. [b]

Welcome you and your 6 posts have enlightened us all. So I can learn from your magnimosity, please log the hours you spent in the last 4 years lining up support for self defense rights. You can also include the time spent researching opposition, prepping for media interviews, speaking to legislators, authoring and revising bills, attending and testifying at committee meetings, and etc...

Well, you've got a point there. But since part of my career was devoted to managing the litigation of cops who had been sued for (oh my gosh, OVERREACH), which included hiring lawyers and expert witnesses, researching judge's past rulings and law school affiliations, and polling mock, representative juries to find a way to get the best result for my client(s), the "gun happy" activists haven't exactly embraced my input.

Regardless, since when did experience doing it wrong make it valuable, particularly since hubris blinded the proponents of this bill from being a little more introspective? A simple vote count would have alerted a novice (who was honest with themselves) that they didn't have a veto override before they sent the bill up to the Governor, and that they needed to do some polling and focus-grouping to find the festering pockets of dissent in the opposition in order to break up their coalition of resistance, and get the votes they needed. Hey, I'm really sorry that all their hard work turned out to be futile, and that they sent a bill up for a veto that they knew they didn't have the votes to override. Unfortunately, however, the issue here is quite starkly, hubris and overreach, and no amount of hours logged in slogging through the legislative process bears relevance to that defect.

[nyffman]

So, it was my understanding, based on the failure last year, that the omnibus approach to the issues addressed was, at least in part, done in order to allow for the possibility of compromise, should compromise be needed. What happened to the compromise? Looking back, it appears that someone is reinventing insanity.

[plblark]

I apologize for my kneejerk reaction.
I'm not sure any amount of giving up would overcome the untrue claim that this would lead to people shooting cops ...

Someone with your experience could be really valuable to the movement.

[Heretical1]

What would you have given up to counter the untrue claim that this would lead to people shooting cops?

So, the post-mortem begins. Your question, although premature, was already answered in my first post. Besides, without accurate survey data, how would you know how much political weight is behind this supposed "claim"? Why would you even want to focus on what you'd be willing to give up without knowing this? BTW, what would you have given up? What do you know about what the cops would have wanted from you?