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Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby EJSG19 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:52 am

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2010/07/daley-unveils-gun-control-plan.html

Shouldn't the SCOTUS telling you your rules are stupid and wrong be a convincing motive to give it up? Discuss.

Posted by John Byrne at 10:04 a.m.; last updated at 10:32 a.m.

Mayor Richard Daley unveiled a gun control ordinance today that would require gun owners to register their weapons with the city, get training and keep all but one firearm locked up.

But the mayor scaled back an earlier idea of only allowing one gun per adult in a home, instead going with a provision that would limit registration with the city to one handgun a month.

The proposals will go before the City Council Police and Fire Committee today, and Daley said the full council will meet Friday to consider it.

The quick response aimed at curbing the proliferation of firearms in the city comes after Monday's Supreme Court decision that effectively gutted Chicago's longstanding gun ban.

The measure, dubbed the "responsible gun ownership" ordinance, also bans gun shops in Chicago.

The details:

*Under Daley's ordinances, handgun owners would need to register all their guns with the city so police know how many weapons are in each home, and would also be required to have a valid Firearm Owner's ID card.

*It requires firearms training, both in a classroom and a firing range.

*Chicago residents would be able to register no more than one handgun per month for each adult in a home. The ordinance "generally prohibits the possession of a handgun by any person except in the person's home," according to a city news release.

*Only one firearm can be kept in immediately operable condition in each home. Other guns must be broken down or have trigger locks in place.

*Assault weapons are banned, as is the possession of ammunition by anyone who does not have a valid FOID card and registration for a gun of the same caliber.

*Applicants must be at least 21 years old, unless a parent signs for a child age 18 or older.

*To protect the city against costs for a lawsuit in case a police officer shoots an armed person while responding to a home, Daley also said the city will pursue legislation at the state and federal levels granting liability immunity for first responders and the city.

*The ordinance bars anyone from possessing a handgun outside a home, which excludes garages, outdoor areas, hotel rooms and group-living quarters.

*Would-be gun owners must take a training course with a minimum of one hour on the range and four hours in the classroom before obtaining a permit to a keep a weapon in the home.

*The ordinance prohibits sawed-off shotguns, assault weapons and “unsafe” handguns.

*It also requires guns kept in homes with minors under age 18 to be secured when they are not in the possession of the owner.

*Penalties for not complying with the proposed law range from $1,000 to 90 days in jail.

*And, as proposed by powerful Ald. Edward Burke, 14th, the new ordinance would create a gun-offender registry to be posted on line by the police department. Anyone convicted of unlawful use or illegal possession of a weapon would be required to register with the police for a four-year period.



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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby RobD on Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:59 am

parent signs for a child age 18 or older

So much for adulthood.
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby EJSG19 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:10 pm

*To protect the city against costs for a lawsuit in case a police officer shoots an armed person while responding to a home, Daley also said the city will pursue legislation at the state and federal levels granting liability immunity for first responders and the city.

*The ordinance prohibits sawed-off shotguns, assault weapons and “unsafe” handguns.


These two caught my eye as a "WTF is that???"

Sorry, but they are missing some extremely important, qualifying and quantifying information in these two bullet points.

1. Did that armed homeowner do anything wrong? If not, that officer would be lucky if a lawsuit is all he got for shooting at a homeowner. Bits of lead and copper coming his direction might be a more appropriate response if the homeowner was not guilty of anything... just sayin'.

2. "unsafe handgun"? As if the A-W and sawed of shotgun thing isn't dumb enough, we have to go for something as broadly sweeping as "unsafe handgun"? I can make any properly functioning handgun very safe, or very unsafe in short order. These are firearms, not rubber training batons. Do they mean "saturday night specials"? Better clarify folks! Meanwhile, if its really that vague, how can they pretend to be serious and submit this to the legislators?
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby plblark on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:11 pm

He's Mayor Daley. The law means what the Daleys say it means in Chicago
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby hoel6466 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:12 pm


The quick response aimed at curbing the proliferation of firearms in the city comes after Monday's Supreme Court decision that effectively gutted Chicago's longstanding gun ban.



So I was wondering... Since the Chicago gun ban is now unconstitutional. What is stopping lawful citizens from purchasing guns at the moment?
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby hammAR on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:27 pm

plblark wrote:He's Mayor Daley. The law means what the Daleys say it means in Chicago


That's where *resident got his training...............same-same........ :hammer:

Regarding "unsafe handgun".....
since firearms are inherently designed to kill things,
that by extension and their definition makes them all unsafe........... :doh:
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby EJSG19 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:46 pm

hammAR wrote:
plblark wrote:He's Mayor Daley. The law means what the Daleys say it means in Chicago


That's where *resident got his training...............same-same........ :hammer:

Regarding "unsafe handgun".....
since firearms are inherently designed to kill things,
that by extension and their definition makes them all unsafe...........
:doh:


:exactly:

By Daley's logic, its better for citizens to lay down and die than be prepared to survive.

You'd think a politician would want his voters to stay alive long enough to keep him in his cushy job, where he can spew nonsense for a living and make more money than good conscience should allow in return.

Whoops! "Politician" and "Conscience" in the same sentence! There is something you don't see every day.
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby plblark on Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:54 pm

EJSG19 wrote:
Whoops! "Politician" and "Conscience" in the same sentence! There is something you don't see every day.


If you want to be a politician you have to check your Conscience at the cloakroom door


See ... easier than you thought, eh?
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby usnret on Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:30 pm

You'd think a politician would want his voters to stay alive long enough to keep him in his cushy job, where he can spew nonsense for a living and make more money than good conscience should allow in return.


What makes you think that he was ever elected by the voters!!! Remember we are talking about Chicago and King Daley.
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby hammAR on Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:33 pm

usnret wrote:
You'd think a politician would want his voters to stay alive long enough to keep him in his cushy job, where he can spew nonsense for a living and make more money than good conscience should allow in return.


What makes you think that he was ever elected by the voters!!! Remember we are talking about Chicago and King Daley.


Remember this is SChitcago politics, dead voters can not change their mind.............. :lol:
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby Jenster on Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:23 pm

I work in Chicago one week each month and I was listening to some people talking about this in our office yesterday. I didn't follow it closely but I was amazed that it was the first time I had ever heard people raise their voices in our office or any office I have ever worked in. They weren't shouting or anything and it was amicable but it was obvious there were passionate feelings about it on both sides, and the people on those sides weren't the people I would have expected. The discussion was about crime and criminals and did not go into politics or rights. It was about people being able to protect themselves and criminals expecting that they might get hurt or killed if they committed violent crimes. It wasn't conservatives on one side and liberals on the other or sportsmen vs. non-sportsmen. It was people from all walks of life and from different backgrounds all looking at it differently. Very strange conversation! It was so lacking in the rights and politics area that it actually made me think to come on here and see what people who follow this issue are saying about it.

As far as what is stopping people from buying guns right now, what someone said during this discussion was that the city has been telling people to not rush out and get guns because new laws are coming that might make those guns illegal, so to wait until the new laws are passed to avoid that risk. I did hear something about that on the radio here too but I might not have all the details right.
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby 1911fan on Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:35 pm

I was trying to listen to a Cubs game one night, and on the news breaks, it was near hysteria on WGN over the Idea that lowly citizens wanted guns. Breathless female reporters at gun shops in outlying communities absolutely Freaking out that Now, Citizens could have guns..... never mind they were in Elgin or Rockford where they have been able to get guns all long, it was the very idea that someone might actually want one. It seemed to me like they were equating any gun with weaponized small pox.
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby mitchx3 on Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:41 pm

Anyone have a plane? Lots of cheap guns have been floating around on here. We should send a care package from the sky.
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby John S. on Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:18 pm

What about a lawsuit on the Mayor, the hell with suing cops, just sue that %$#@@$% of %$%$@#@ ;)
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Re: Chicago doesn't know when to quit

Postby Dick Unger on Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:35 pm

Most people never thought the 2A meant anything, because they were told it meant the government could have an army. Now that it's an individual civil right guaranteed to all, even opponents are considering their "new" civil right.

People in Chicago won't want to be the only Americans in the country that have less rights than the rest of us. I think these new gun control laws will not be popular; especially when they begin to be struck down. No one wants LESS rights than others.
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