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This ain't gonna end well...

Postby hammAR on Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:51 am

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22955129-401,00.html


Sitting Bull's people break away from US
December 20, 2007 03:10pm

THE Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the US.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the US, some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the US were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.
"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

``It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because ``it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

``We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The US ``annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere ``facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the US; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.
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Re: This ain't gonna end well...

Postby 1911fan on Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:41 am

Well, then,


Let's sieze the Casino's, hold them ransom, and see what happens from here.

Russell has always been an idiot.

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Re: This ain't gonna end well...

Postby Pinnacle on Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:42 pm

Good for them and I mean that in all honesty.

I appreciate the Native Americans and respect them greatly.
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Re: This ain't gonna end well...

Postby justaguy on Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:02 pm

If Sillery wins I might join them.
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Re: This ain't gonna end well...

Postby Srigs on Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:35 pm

Pinnacle wrote:Good for them and I mean that in all honesty.

I appreciate the Native Americans and respect them greatly.


I agree. So, we will see how far it goes.

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Re: This ain't gonna end well...

Postby gunflint on Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:38 pm

I will join my brothers. Then illegally re-enter the U.S. and claim my rights. I want a tax free income, free health care, A free education for myself and all family members and I will demand that all language be in English because that's my native tongue. I have always been proud of my Northern Cheyenne heritage. 1/8th anyway. Now it's time to put it to good use.
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Re: This ain't gonna end well...

Postby hammAR on Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:27 am

This thread isn't going to end well ...................I better leave................ :evil:
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Re: This ain't gonna end well...

Postby ttousi on Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:02 am

What's the issue gunny?


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Re: This ain't gonna end well...

Postby hammAR on Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:55 am

Thanks, I needed that................. :mrgreen:
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Re: This ain't gonna end well...

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