nyffman wrote:I would vote for anyone the Republicans run. Even Ron Paul, should he be nominated. But it's not going to happen. For one thing, some of his positions, although you two and quite a few others (key word "few") may like them, are too extreme for the vast majority of the country as things stand right now. I'm not saying they're all bad ideas, just that he will encounter resistance that will make it impossible to implement them.
nyffman wrote:His party may be an obstacle but a bigger one is that some of his positions are waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy out of the mainstream.
gyrfalcon wrote:nyffman wrote:His party may be an obstacle but a bigger one is that some of his positions are waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy out of the mainstream.
What positions does he have that are outside the mainstream? Reducing the size of the federal government? Pulling troops out of foreign countries?
If Ron Paul was elected he wouldn't be able to do a lot of the things he wants without the support of the houses. If he's anything, he would be a stopgap to the runaway federal government.
gyrfalcon wrote:nyffman wrote:His party may be an obstacle but a bigger one is that some of his positions are waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy out of the mainstream.
What positions does he have that are outside the mainstream? Reducing the size of the federal government? Pulling troops out of foreign countries?
If Ron Paul was elected he wouldn't be able to do a lot of the things he wants without the support of the houses. If he's anything, he would be a stopgap to the runaway federal government.
nyffman wrote:Since you mentioned it, there are a lot of people who pay little or no taxes. I think they might object to reducing sugar daddy govt.
nyffman wrote:His position on Iran getting nukes is pretty far out if he really believes they are similar to Soviet Russia or Israel.
nyffman wrote:A lot of people are more likely to be able to name the contestants on American Idol, or some other pseudo reality show than to have heard of or know anything about the federal reserve.
nyffman wrote:Just because I think he's out there, doesn't mean I wouldn't support him if his party nominated him or that I don't agree with a lot of his positions.
nyffman wrote:I just don't buy into the messianic hope that his hardcore supporters seem to have.
ComradeBurg wrote:nyffman wrote:Since you mentioned it, there are a lot of people who pay little or no taxes. I think they might object to reducing sugar daddy govt.
Like the smart wealthy individuals who keep their money offshore because the government will steal a great deal of it if they bring it into the country? Not everybody who is fortune enough to evade the revenuers is a poor individual living off of the government's dole.
True. But those people don't care if the size of govt is reduced or not.nyffman wrote:His position on Iran getting nukes is pretty far out if he really believes they are similar to Soviet Russia or Israel.
It's pretty far out to believe that Iran will have the infrastructure to develop nuclear weaponry and a delivery system capable of getting a nuclear warhead here faster than we can develop an effective countermeasure. Iran isn't the Soviet Union, they're nowhere near our technologic development like the Soviet Union was. When we were in the arms race with the Soviets it was a cat and mouse game with both countries leaping ahead of the other periodically. Iran is, at most, at the stage we were during World War II when we were still developing the atomic bomb. The entire thing is a moot point in all honesty.
Well, if someone keeps blowing up their missles and infecting their systems with viruses, true enough. But the consequences of them getting both the warheads and delivery systems are too dangerous for us and pretty much anyone who doesn't believe in the old guy climbing out of the well. And we would be in that subgroup. Because of their apocalyptic world view, they are not comparable to the Soviets who Reagan defeated in the cold war.nyffman wrote:A lot of people are more likely to be able to name the contestants on American Idol, or some other pseudo reality show than to have heard of or know anything about the federal reserve.
Yes more people than ever know about the Federal Reserve thanks in part to Ron Paul's speeches. The bottom line is we have two options; end the Federal Reserve or face economic collapse. If you think the unlikely threat of a nuclear Iran is a threat imagine the threat of millions of hungry Americans partaking in food riots in your city. An complete economic collapse is far more worrisome than a remote country successfully building a nuclear weapon.
Most people who need to know, aren't listening. Something about leading a horse to water...........nyffman wrote:Just because I think he's out there, doesn't mean I wouldn't support him if his party nominated him or that I don't agree with a lot of his positions.
This is an attitude I never understood, even if you don't really agree with the guy you'll vote for him so long as he gets the endorsement of your preferred party? That would seem to indicate you don't have much of a stance other than whatever the Republican Party states. It's best to be an independent thinker and not vote for a candidate simply because he has a R or D after his name. Remember it's not red vs. blue it's all one part of purple.
Get used to it. Not all things in life are cut and dried. Besides. I pretty clearly stated previously "I like Paul on a lot of issues." Look it up.nyffman wrote:I just don't buy into the messianic hope that his hardcore supporters seem to have.
This we agree on. Many people seem to think Ron Paul is going to instantly cure all the ailments in the United States. This belief is naive. On the other hand I do believe he will do a great deal of good if he manages to get the office, far more good than any other candidate.
nyffman wrote:Well, if someone keeps blowing up their missles and infecting their systems with viruses, true enough. But the consequences of them getting both the warheads and delivery systems are too dangerous for us and pretty much anyone who doesn't believe in the old guy climbing out of the well. And we would be in that subgroup. Because of their apocalyptic world view, they are not comparable to the Soviets who Reagan defeated in the cold war.
nyffman wrote:Well, if someone keeps blowing up their missles and infecting their systems with viruses, true enough. But the consequences of them getting both the warheads and delivery systems are too dangerous for us and pretty much anyone who doesn't believe in the old guy climbing out of the well. And we would be in that subgroup. Because of their apocalyptic world view, they are not comparable to the Soviets who Reagan defeated in the cold war.
nyffman wrote:Most people who need to know, aren't listening. Something about leading a horse to water...........
nyffman wrote:Get used to it. Not all things in life are cut and dried. Besides. I pretty clearly stated previously "I like Paul on a lot of issues." Look it up.
nyffman wrote:... they have, what? Thousands, millions of delivery systems in the terrorist suicide bombers who would gladly carry some of their nuclear material in a dirty bomb to NY or any of our cities. I have no current confidence in our border security to keep them out. It's more complicated than just saying Iran doesn't have a missile that can reach us.
nyffman wrote:I just don't trust our govt to do the right thing
nyffman wrote:With little exception, since at least Viet Nam, they have directed wars on a weak kneed political basis rather than going in,killing people, breaking things and getting out.
nyffman wrote:Besides, they have, what? Thousands, millions of delivery systems in the terrorist suicide bombers who would gladly carry some of their nuclear material in a dirty bomb to NY or any of our cities. I have no current confidence in our border security to keep them out. It's more complicated than just saying Iran doesn't have a missile that can reach us.
ComradeBurg wrote:...bombing Iran in the hopes of stopping terrorism is like hoping that printing money will get us out of our economic depression.
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