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Re: Maybe today?

Postby princewally on Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:10 am

DeanC wrote:They leave the licensing open - D.C. will have to issue a license to Heller. Wanna bet it cost $100,000 and is only good for 30 days at a time? </bald cynicism>


I'm sure they will do that, but, for the moment, they are stuck with the existing registry laws.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby DeanC on Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:19 am

All in all, it turned out better than I thought. I was worried that they would figure out a way to make it apply only to D.C.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby EAJuggalo on Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:22 am

DC's registration is much like Chicago's. There is a policy in place but no new registrations have been accepted since 1976, the DC chief of police will now have to issue registrations valid for one year to all who meet the criteria. I'm fairly certain that Chicago will have to do the same.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby BRIT_in_the_weeds on Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:10 pm

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Re: Maybe today?

Postby phorvick on Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:56 pm

Please excuse me if I am not jumping up and down for joy. We just had a decision where 4/9 of the Court was willing to toss the second amendment in the dump. There is no joy in that.

Further, and I realize that I may be in the minority here, but once history has had a chance to digest this and subsequent interpretations, the Heller case will be seen as the case that doomed gun rights for us.

This was a horrid decision. Better than 5-4 the other way, but the door to reasonable gun restrictions is open and the antis will be charging through.

This case will a killer for gun rights. Just terrible.

Yes, I see thorns when others see roses.

Oh, and Chicago? They will likely survive any litigation. They are not banning (failing to register) all firearms, just handguns. Allowing rifle or shotgut, while banning the thug guns will be seen as reasonable. Again, this is the beginning of the end.

Then again, I hope I am wrong. However, I have -0- faith in certain courts.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby EAJuggalo on Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:02 pm

The chicago ban was exactly the same as the DC ban. Both allowed long guns but would only register handguns that were already registered at a certain date, 1976 for DC and I believe 1982 for Chicago, but would not accept new registrations. The NRA was on it's way to the courthouse in Chicago as of 1030 when I left for lunch.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby princewally on Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:15 pm

EAJuggalo wrote:The chicago ban was exactly the same as the DC ban. Both allowed long guns but would only register handguns that were already registered at a certain date, 1976 for DC and I believe 1982 for Chicago, but would not accept new registrations. The NRA was on it's way to the courthouse in Chicago as of 1030 when I left for lunch.


They weren't the first to file against Chicago. One of the local groups hit 'em first.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby princewally on Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:16 pm

phorvick wrote:
Oh, and Chicago? They will likely survive any litigation. They are not banning (failing to register) all firearms, just handguns. Allowing rifle or shotgut, while banning the thug guns will be seen as reasonable.


Not according to the opinion. Handguns are specifically being forced into the DC registry.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby hammAR on Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:29 pm

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Postby Tabsr on Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:22 pm

Down load and Read it, allows for registration, licensing and qualification to own a gun. I'm not pleased with some of the outcome.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby onebohemian on Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:53 pm

I concur with Phorvick about the effect this will have, although I wouldn't have said it so bluntly so soon (darn, Paul, when a guy finds out his cancer is in remission, you could at least wait a day before telling him the chemo has permanently damaged his heart :| ). This is without a doubt better than had the Court concluded the 2nd doesn't provide an individual right, but the "reasonableness" test to be applied to gun restrictions going forward isn't gonna stop many of those restrictions. This opinion isn't going to even slow the push to close the "gun show loop," and it sure's heck won't stop the new AWB we keep hearing about. So, continue to buy those high caps, AK's, etc., now, because although June 26th was still a good day in my book, it's not going to change many things for us. The fight continues. Don't let your guards down because of this.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby Jeff Bergquist on Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:57 am

phorvick wrote:Further, and I realize that I may be in the minority here, but once history has had a chance to digest this and subsequent interpretations, the Heller case will be seen as the case that doomed gun rights for us.


I personally would guess the 1934 firearms act and changing demographics deserve more credit. I view the Heller decision as more of a bump in the road on our inexorable path to total worldwide civilian disarmament. As civilians have become more and more dependent on governments to determine the course of their lives, the sense of individual sovereignity and independence that built America is fading into history, and taking with it many of the rights we used to enjoy. Every year the American subculture of helplessness gains political clout, and eventually will be strong enough to completely remove that pesky anachronistic 2nd amendment from the Bill of Rights.

How's that for a pessimistic outlook?

But for now I'm going to enjoy what I can still have as an American, and view this decision as a victory for the good guys.
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby phorvick on Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:29 am

Every year the American subculture of helplessness gains political clout, and eventually will be strong enough to completely remove that pesky anachronistic 2nd amendment from the Bill of Rights.

And, it has begun. The Chicago Tribune Blog calls for the repeal of the 2A. But, even I, the poster boy for pessimism, sees as much chance of that as there would be in me winning big jackpot at the local casino. Not impossible, but highly improbable.

If one sees the glass as half-full and not half-empty, one could opine that this decision will rally 2A activitsts. After all, we were one Justice away from amending the Constitution by fiat. If that does not rally the troops, then indeed we are doomed. The only bet then is the over/under on the date to place on the tombstone.

But, I have concluded that to wallow in the darkness of potential futures is pointless. Instead, I too will bask in the sunshine of the decision. At least until there are more onerous dark clouds on the horizon.

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Re: Maybe today?

Postby Jeff Bergquist on Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:45 am

phorvick wrote:And, it has begun. The Chicago Tribune Blog calls for the repeal of the 2A. But, even I, the poster boy for pessimism, sees as much chance of that as there would be in me winning big jackpot at the local casino. Not impossible, but highly improbable.


For now I agree. However imagine say, 30-40 years from now, when 70 or 80% of the US population might live in major metropolitan areas. Can the 2A survive the vast majority of the American electorate being the equivalent of urban New Yorkers or Chicagoans?
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Re: Maybe today?

Postby hammAR on Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:03 am

Jeff Bergquist wrote:For now I agree. However imagine say, 30-40 years from now, when 70 or 80% of the US population are inbred, ignorant, co-dependents, might live in major metropolitan areas, and will be at their moske 5 times a day. Can the 2A survive the vast majority of the American electorate being the equivalent of urban New Yorkers or Chicagoans France, China or Iram?


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