Gun Violence Prevention Bill of 2013

[river_boater]

I know you don't HAVE to, but the majority of handguns I've seen for sale require a PTP/PTC. Wouldn't that count as a background check?

Yes, but that's just sellers doing the right thing. They aren't required to do this by law.

[tman]

Again:

When they talk about internet sales without background checks they're talking about between private parties in the same state who meet to do an in person sale......thus no background check.

Where does the Internet come into that transaction?


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[tman]

I know you don't HAVE to, but the majority of handguns I've seen for sale require a PTP/PTC. Wouldn't that count as a background check?

By whose standard?


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[St. Olaf]

Again:

When they talk about internet sales without background checks they're talking about between private parties in the same state who meet to do an in person sale......thus no background check.

Where does the Internet come into that transaction?

The buyer finds the gun listed on the internet and contacts the seller. If they live in the same state they can just meet and do the transaction. It's just like answering a classified ad in the newspaper....except now we have the internet.

I hate to see people writing these muddled letters based on false assumptions they've dreamed up. It makes us all look uninformed.

[BlkVooDoo]

I have been searching and searching. I cannot find the actual text of this bill anywhere. Has anyone actually found it yet?

[Thunder71]

I know you don't HAVE to, but the majority of handguns I've seen for sale require a PTP/PTC. Wouldn't that count as a background check?

Yes, but that's just sellers doing the right thing. They aren't required to do this by law.

I think without the permit you have to notify the buyer's sheriff and are responsible for one year.

[plblark]

Do you have a specific cute for that? I suggest looking at the exceptions in that statute on notice.

[jdege]

I think without the permit you have to notify the buyer's sheriff and are responsible for one year.

Not quite.

You are liable for one year, unless you do a background check. You can do a background check by seeing a PTP, a PTC, or submitting a report to the police chief or sheriff.

[BigBlue]

Again:

When they talk about internet sales without background checks they're talking about between private parties in the same state who meet to do an in person sale......thus no background check.

Where does the Internet come into that transaction.

As I've listened to the antis blubber about this in the recent hearings I've come to my own conclusion that they are actually talking about people posting on-line ads for a firearm that is then transacted via private party sale FTF as described above (think Armslist or our own marketplace forum). The evil Internet was used for the buyer and seller to find each other, only. There is no way they are talking about actual on-line sales (i.e. shipped) because all of those must go through FFL.

The antis use this situation to hawk their 'You can buy any gun you want on the Internet!" warning cry which does have an effect on a large portion of average citizens who don't understand what is actually being talked about. It is intentionally misleading to help their cause. Heck, if I was not familiar with gun purchases and heard all the blathering about 'buying on the Internet' I'd tend to think you could just order one up and have it on your doorstep in the morning too. Their intentionally misleading phrasing is effective because of this.

This is one more area where we need to continue to counter them and explain what is really going on. It is very much like the 'gunshow loophole' argument that makes it sound like any sale at a gunshow is unregulated when, in fact, only private party sales are skipping a NICS check.

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[BigBlue]

By the way, does anyone have a link to the actual 'omnibus' bill yet??

[bstrawse]

By the way, does anyone have a link to the actual 'omnibus' bill yet??

Not yet posted. So we have no idea what's really in it.
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[sawgrass]

By the way, does anyone have a link to the actual 'omnibus' bill yet??

Not yet posted. So we have no idea what's really in it.
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Brian will GOCRA send an e-blast when it's available? I couldn't find anything on Andrew's site.

[MNGunGuy]

"40% of all firearms sales aren't done with a background check"

This most likely includes firearms that don't need a background check to sell anyways (shotguns, muzzle loaders, etc).

Shotguns require a background check the same as a rifle or handgun if purchased from an FFL. What you don't need is a PTP/PTC.

[bstrawse]

By the way, does anyone have a link to the actual 'omnibus' bill yet??

Not yet posted. So we have no idea what's really in it.
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Brian will GOCRA send an e-blast when it's available? I couldn't find anything on Andrew's site.

Absolutely. It will take a day or so to analyze the bill - and then you know we'll be out with an e-blast.
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[tman]

The buyer finds the gun listed on the internet and contacts the seller. If they live in the same state they can just meet and do the transaction. It's just like answering a classified ad in the newspaper....except now we have the internet.

So, "internet sales" only includes a sub-set of face-to-face transactions wherein the buyer and seller "met" through an on-line ad?

I have a tough time believing that's what the law is trying to prohibit. I'm more inclined to believe that the authors think I can buy a pistol from a guy in WI and have it shipped directly to me - bypassing a background check.