ND, SD, WI gun bill status?

[tabberski]

Does anyone know what the status is of our neigbhoring states? Do any of these other states look more attractive then the other?? I feel like I'm being pushed out. But then again I work, I pay my taxes, and I want my freedom. I believe that our goverment is there to assist us, not control or support nus. If I do the math I'm losing on all three venues.

[cgrant26]

Does anyone know what the status is of our neigbhoring states? Do any of these other states look more attractive then the other?? I feel like I'm being pushed out. But then again I work, I pay my taxes, and I want my freedom. I believe that our goverment is there to assist us, not control or support nus. If I do the math I'm losing on all three venues.

Not sure about the Dakotas, but with Walker as Gov in WI and the D's there not having the votes to overide a veto, there will be no anti-gun legislation getting through there.

[sansooshooter]

I too am thinking of leaving the state . I just need to convince my wife.
I doubt she will change her mind until its much worse. Family and friends are the only thing keeping us here.
I could move else where and probably make a better living and say goodbye to winter . Plus keep more of my labor!
Why do people in this state buy into the nanny state mentality?
Hell we have one economic power on our border! If another border state takes off . It will be vacuum sucking the talented
working people out of Minnesota.
Maybe we can become the Kalif of the Midwest ! Our state gov can be the catalyst to drive business and tech skilled people
to neighboring states of freedom.

[cgrant26]

I too am thinking of leaving the state . I just need to convince my wife.
I doubt she will change her mind until its much worse. Family and friends are the only thing keeping us here.
I could move else where and probably make a better living and say goodbye to winter . Plus keep more of my labor!
Why do people in this state buy into the nanny state mentality?
Hell we have one economic power on our border! If another border state takes off . It will be vacuum sucking the talented
working people out of Minnesota.
Maybe we can become the Kalif of the Midwest ! Our state gov can be the catalyst to drive business and tech skilled people
to neighboring states of freedom.

That's a bit defeatist, don't you think? MN is far from a lost cause. Now more than ever we need to stand up and defend our rights, not turn-tail and run.

[jgalt]

Now more than ever we need to stand up and defend our rights, not turn-tail and run.

If you are stuck here, or if your primary identity is as a member of a group, then that makes perfect sense.

If you see yourself as an individual first, and aren't tied to the state, why not move someplace that seems to understand, and protects through its laws, basic individual rights...?

[darkwolf45]

Because you are only buying yourself a little time. Where er you go, those seeking to take rights from you will follow. If they cannot gain the power they need to control you atthe local or state level, they will lobby the states you left to their allies and take those rights at the federal level.

One thing I learned the hard way growing up- there's no point in running from bullies. They will continue their pursuit until someone steps up, and says " the line is drawn here and no further," and they mean it with all of their heart and soul.

[2in2out]

As far as I know, it's still legal to own a silencer in South Dakota. And, they have prairie dogs.

Just sayin'.....

[sansooshooter]

I too am thinking of leaving the state . I just need to convince my wife.
I doubt she will change her mind until its much worse. Family and friends are the only thing keeping us here.
I could move else where and probably make a better living and say goodbye to winter . Plus keep more of my labor!
Why do people in this state buy into the nanny state mentality?
Hell we have one economic power on our border! If another border state takes off . It will be vacuum sucking the talented
working people out of Minnesota.
Maybe we can become the Kalif of the Midwest ! Our state gov can be the catalyst to drive business and tech skilled people
to neighboring states of freedom.

That's a bit defeatist, don't you think? MN is far from a lost cause. Now more than ever we need to stand up and defend our rights, not turn-tail and run.

I am fighter and I mean that literally. My online name combines 2 of my favorite things Shooting and kung fu.
Tell me where do you see this state improving things? I sure as hell , Dont have more freedom then years ago!
I have lived here 90% of my 49 yrs.
We are constantly passing new laws that make you a criminal for doing something that was legal the day before .
I just for the 3rd time wrote all the committe members.
I talk politics to people all the time. I know who my government offials are and contact them on various topics.
I spend time explaining gun stuff to people who dont know. I have turned around anti gun
people and got some of them to try shooting.

[jgalt]

Because you are only buying yourself a little time. Where er you go, those seeking to take rights from you will follow. If they cannot gain the power they need to control you atthe local or state level, they will lobby the states you left to their allies and take those rights at the federal level.

One thing I learned the hard way growing up- there's no point in running from bullies. They will continue their pursuit until someone steps up, and says " the line is drawn here and no further," and they mean it with all of their heart and soul.

And if things really are that bad, you're also choosing to surround yourself with a bunch of like-minded folks (by moving somewhere more liberty oriented) which will make it that much more likely you'll succeed in defending the liberties you've lost here.

No one is saying it isn't worthwhile to fight for what you believe in. However, when your car has gone off the road & into a pond, are you more likely to get where you were originally headed by staying in your car (i.e. where you currently are), or getting the heck out and looking elsewhere for more effective transportation?

[darkwolf45]

Because you are only buying yourself a little time. Where er you go, those seeking to take rights from you will follow. If they cannot gain the power they need to control you atthe local or state level, they will lobby the states you left to their allies and take those rights at the federal level.

One thing I learned the hard way growing up- there's no point in running from bullies. They will continue their pursuit until someone steps up, and says " the line is drawn here and no further," and they mean it with all of their heart and soul.

And if things really are that bad, you're also choosing to surround yourself with a bunch of like-minded folks (by moving somewhere more liberty oriented) which will make it that much more likely you'll succeed in defending the liberties you've lost here.

No one is saying it isn't worthwhile to fight for what you believe in. However, when your car has gone off the road & into a pond, are you more likely to get where you were originally headed by staying in your car (i.e. where you currently are), or getting the heck out and looking elsewhere for more effective transportation?

First, i think your analogy is off. This isnt a car going off the road. This is about a willful, sustained effort to undermine our rights. I wont lie; I have been considering contingency plans to leave the country if it comes to that based on the way things are going.

In my opinion, our biggest problem is combatting a kind of social entropy. The kind of person who goes for these measures is almost always primarily driven emotionally. They claim they believe in enlightened, rational debate, but instead they rely on pure emotion to villify their opposition in their glorious crusade to fix all those around them because they know better. They cloak themselves so thoroughly in good intentions that they themselves cannot see anything bad with what they are doing. They go out of their way to control any and all dialogue on the issue. They will actively attack any sort of real education on the subject matter.

Case in point-anyone notice its not gun control anymore? Its gun safety. Watch the look of horror on their faces, though, after they use that word and you say "awesome! I would love to get involved in that! Lets get people involved in this gun safety course that teaches you how to safely handle, load, UNLOAD, operate and store guns."

These are nothing more than run of the mill bullies, and they will chase you wherever you run so long as you run, because eventually you will run until you are stuck in a corner. Get all of the gun suporters in a few states, and you have backed yourself into that corner. Without people to fight the good fight in the liberal states, not only will you see more gun control, but if you retreat far enough you will see a repeal of the second amendment. 38 states in total supporting it. That is what it would take. We are talking about a**holes who passed a bill by the skin of its teeth by pulling in a freshman senator that campaigned on the promise that he would do whatever his party said, supposedly won by less than 500 votes, and rammed it through before the only open senate seat could be filled by someone they knew would stop the law from being passed. Then they somehow managed to "convince" an overtly hostile supreme court this was all somehow constitutional. You really think they couldnt squirm something like a repeal of the second through if you gave them a little wiggle room?

I really dont want this to come to blows if it doesnt have to, and honestly, there is no real way to know if those who agree with you will step up to fend off the barbarian hoardes in a real stand off. Stand and fight now if you want your best, real chance. Minnesotans need you now. There are plenty of people like you in SD, we need you here, now. And if it comes down to it and you lose here with no hope of winning back your rights, i am betting South dakotans will still welcome you with open arms.

[texasprowler]

Of the three states mentioned, SD by far has the least gun restrictions, carrying a gun in public is legal, no permit required. You can even carry loaded long guns in a moving vehicle. They are so pro2A, they just passed law allowing teachers to carry. ND and WI are not so friendly. I like MN, but the gov looks way too much like IL.

Never understood why MN has always been miles apart from SD, which has lots of guns and little gun crime.

[Ramoel]

States trend more anti-gun as they grow big cities. Big cities attract a lot of people that don't shoot or hunt and often just look at guns as a criminal tool.

When a state gets enough big cities it too goes more liberal. SD doesn't have any really big cities so it still has more conservative values.

This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree...

[darkwolf45]

Sounds about right.

[texasprowler]

Partly agree. What is ND excuse. AZ, UT, TX don't fit that mold.

It seems more like a creeping fungus that overtakes entire states one at a time. CA, NV, NM, have dramatically changed in the past thirty years from strong western values, to some kind of ninny state.

I note that Sioux Falls has half the population of Minneapolis, but only one-fifth the violent crime.

I also note that SD has more than double the incarceration rate than MN. In fact, most states have far more prisoners per capita.

MN then, is very soft on crime. I repeatedly read news stories about child rapists in this state getting probation, or 5 years for multiple offenses. SD gives solid 20 year sentences for 'consentual' teen sex.

If the bleeding heart Democrats in this state aren't going to take tough action to protect my family from crime, why do they try so hard to prevent me from providing my own protection?

There must be some logic to the current legislature's agenda. Some bigger picture that looks like authoritarianism. Not a conspiracy theorist, just observing trends, Chavez, Hollywood, CA, NV, IL, now MN.

The open boarder people are ensuring this trend cannot be reversed.

So where does one move to retain freedom and escape this creeping fungus?

[MJY65]

Tell me where do you see this state improving things? I sure as hell , Dont have more freedom then years ago!
I have lived here 90% of my 49 yrs.

I've lived here for 100% of my 47 years, and I would say that the switch to "shall issue" CCW was a pretty big improvement. In fact, up until a few months ago, I'd say things weren't all that grim.