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Heres the GOCRA email on Today's hearings BATTLE LINES DRAWN

Postby AR on Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:34 am

Heres the GOCRA email on Today's hearings:

BATTLE LINES DRAWN.

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Tonight in St. Paul, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hear two bills: one would strip away your Constitutional rights, and the other would lock up criminals who misuse guns. We need you there.

The hearing starts at 6 p.m. in Room 15 of the State Capitol (on the first floor, below the rotunda). Seating is very limited; arrive early, or expect to watch the hearing from an overflow room. Please wear a maroon shirt, or a GOCRA t-shirt if you have one!

Don’t commit a crime!
Be certain you have submitted your notification before you carry to the capitol! Anti-gun members of the Senate have been requiring state troopers working at the capitol to check the carry permits of people they see carrying. If you are approached by a state trooper, be polite, courteous, and let them do their job. They have always been very respectful to us, and we should return the courtesy.

Background Info

There have been a lot of bill numbers and names flying around, so here’s a summary of what’s going on.


Minnesota House

The good:

Rep. Hilstrom (DFL – Brooklyn Center) has introduced a rights-respecting bill*, HF 1325, that focuses on keeping guns away from criminals and the dangerously mentally ill, not law-abiding gun owners. It has 78 bipartisan co-authors — well over half the House — as well as the support of GOCRA, the NRA, the Minnesota Sheriffs Association and the Minnesota County Attorneys Association. Rep Paymar has indicated that he won’t give this widely supported bill a hearing in his committee.

(*You may see this bill called 1323, 1324 and 1325 — so many representatives wanted to sign it that Rep. Hilstrom had to file three identical “clone” bills!)

The bad:

Rep. Michael Paymar (DFL – St. Paul) is the chairman of the Public Safety Committee, and has introduced a rights-violating bill, HF 237, that would impose universal registration and other fees, penalties and infringements on law-abiding citizens. Rep. Paymar has said that he will hold hearings on his bill next week.

Minnesota Senate

The good:

Sen. Julianne Ortman (R – Chanhassen) introduced SF 1359 yesterday. It’s a companion to Rep. Hilstrom’s rights-respecting bill, and also enjoys the same broad bipartisan and law enforcement support.

The bad:


Sen. Ron Latz (DFL – St. Louis Park) is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and has introduced an amended SF 458, a companion to Paymar’s rights-violating bill, . Along with all the worst of the Paymar bill, the Latz bill also contains many of the provisions of the good Hilstrom/Ortman bills. This may indicate that he’s looking for a “compromise.” He won’t get one: all of the leaders on the good bills are firmly opposed to the rights violations in the bad bills.

The Worst Parts of the Bad Bills

Universal Registration:

These bills would require universal registration of pistols and sporting rifles, implemented through a “universal” background check, — twice: The bills would require every sale of such guns to go through a licensed dealer, who would charge $25 per transfer. These transfers would still require a permit to purchase, for which the House bill would charge you another $25 annually.

Rights Delayed

The bills extend the time that sheriffs and police have to process a purchase permit from five to seven business days, and allow the law enforcement official to fingerprint the applicant and extend the deadline to 30 days.

Rights Denied

Easier Carry Permit Denials


The bad bills would allow sheriffs the judgement to deny a carry permit on the basis of a subjective “likelihood” that the applicant was dangerous.

More Difficult Carry Permit Appeals

The bad bills positively encourage abusive denials: they remove the sheriffs’ obligation to pay an applicant’s legal fees when a permit denial is overturned — a safeguard that has kept sheriffs departments honest, and bogus denials fairly low, for almost 10 years. The Sheriff’s Association has not asked for this unfair reversal of law.

The bad bills also lower the sheriffs’ standard of proof of danger to self or other others from “clear and convincing evidence” to the mere “preponderance of the evidence.”

Due Process Protections Gutted

The bad bills would remove legal protections against losing your firearm rights. Currently, before you lose your right to own a firearm, you must be convicted or committed by a court. Under the new bill, any involuntary hospitalization, even overnight, would disqualify you from owning guns indefinitely.

Making The Law Abiding Into Convicts

The bad bills set a very low standard of proof for conviction of serious gun crimes, using the phrase “knows or has reason to believe” to convict sellers who reports a gun stolen, or who sell a gun to a person who later commits a crime.

More Difficult Civil Rights Restoration

The bad bills increase the difficulty and expense for a person who has paid their debt to society to regain their civil rights.

Please keep calling the members of the House and Senate committees, as well as your own legislator!

See you at the capitol Thursday night!
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Postby sansooshooter on Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:57 am

Tried to e mail some reps and kept getting a error page every time I hit submit.
Anyone else having trouble?
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Postby XDM45 on Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:30 am

sansooshooter wrote:Tried to e mail some reps and kept getting a error page every time I hit submit.
Anyone else having trouble?


Use the state link at http://www.congress.org/news has both federal and state, but here's the direct link to the state: http://www.congress.org/congressorg/iss ... 81&type=ML
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Postby sansooshooter on Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:55 am

Thanks 45. The state one is now working for me.
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Postby XDM45 on Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:31 am

sansooshooter wrote:Thanks 45. The state one is now working for me.


Excellent!! Glad to be of service.
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Postby AR on Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:30 pm

Will this be streamed?

Last time I could get the SENATE hearings on my Android but not the HOUSE.
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Postby XDM45 on Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:45 pm

AR wrote:Will this be streamed?

Last time I could get the SENATE hearings on my Android but not the HOUSE.


No idea. It may show up in the YouTube channel after the fact.

It looks like the NRA has something going on tomorrow too at 9:45am CST - http://home.nra.org/#/nraorg
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Postby 870TC on Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:58 pm

AR wrote:Will this be streamed?

Last time I could get the SENATE hearings on my Android but not the HOUSE.


Live stream available from Senate media services, follow links off the Mn Legislature web site.
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Postby 45xdacp on Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:02 pm

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Postby AR on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:10 pm

Senator Latz has revealed himself to be very thin-skinned....He just about wet himself in petulance at Senator Julianne Ortman's criticism of his bill....

Senator Julianne is pissed off and indignant but she's not a whiney pantywaist like Latz.

Boys if you haven't gotten caught up on Latz's bill it kicks gun rights back at least 5 years... Read it...sign up for GOCRA emails but It needs to be stopped....Any Democrats here need to think about being a 'One issue voter' on Nov 4 2014....even if your are the president of your local labor union.

This Sucks.

I hope Limmer and Ortman are right and that Latz's bill won't pass the Senate. The "ALTERNATE GUN BILL" is now dead in the Senate, dooming the house bill.

Anybody that's YouTubing this should make a small clip of the Ortman / Latz exchange...it's the hilight of the evening and it's 15 minutes before the end of the session.
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Postby XDM45 on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:44 pm

I've been dragging my ass about getting money to GOCRA, I know... my bad. I re-upped my NRA membership, so this Saturday I'm going to join GOCRA when I go to the gun show at the state fairgrounds.
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Postby xd9 on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:33 pm

PAYMAR the hypocrite!

He is a co-author of this bill......
House HF0276
03/04/2013
Dehn, R.
Resolution; requesting Congress propose a constitutional amendment and, if Congress does not propose an amendment, applying to Congress to call a constitutional convention to propose an amendment clarifying that the rights protected under the Constitution are the rights of natural persons and not the rights of artificial entities and that spending money to influence elections is not speech under the First Amendment.

So he thinks the constitution should be ammended for the 1st ammendment to protect the natural person's rights....BUT is not for the 2nd ammendment!

What a tool. :roll:
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Postby Heffay on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:37 pm

xd9 wrote:PAYMAR the hypocrite!

He is a co-author of this bill......
House HF0276
03/04/2013
Dehn, R.
Resolution; requesting Congress propose a constitutional amendment and, if Congress does not propose an amendment, applying to Congress to call a constitutional convention to propose an amendment clarifying that the rights protected under the Constitution are the rights of natural persons and not the rights of artificial entities and that spending money to influence elections is not speech under the First Amendment.

So he thinks the constitution should be ammended for the 1st ammendment to protect the natural person's rights....BUT is not for the 2nd ammendment!

What a tool. :roll:


He can be right on one thing, and wrong on another. It's not unusual.
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