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Klobuchars new Bill

Postby oldhunter on Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:48 pm

https://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1290 If you are convicted of stalking(misdemeanor) you would lose your rights to own a firearm.
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby LarryFlew on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:05 pm

July 11, 2013 last years bill
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby LarryFlew on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:05 pm

BTW I believe it became part of law on July 1 of this year
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Klobuchars new Bill

Postby jshuberg on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:07 pm

This appears to be one of the tactics the anti-gun cultists are trying. Since they can't win a straight on attack, they're coming at us sideways. They're trying to make as many people ineligible as possible.

They're starting with criminals who currently can still possess firearms. The thinking is that we'll look bad defending the rights of scumbags to own guns. If it succeeds, they'll move on to people late on their taxes, or on their toll card, or have traffic violations, or who don't shovel their sidewalk on time, or who have ever seen a shrink, etc.

The theory is that everyone is potentially a law-breaker at some point in their lives. There are so many BS laws on the books, it's almost impossible to not break some obscure law at some point. By making a person ineligible to own firearms for lesser and lesser crimes, they effectively ban them from the majority of the population.
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby jgalt on Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:33 am

jshuberg wrote:The theory is that everyone is potentially a law-breaker at some point in their lives. There are so many BS laws on the books, it's almost impossible to not break some obscure law at some point. By making a person ineligible to own firearms for lesser and lesser crimes, they effectively ban them from the majority of the population.


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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby jshuberg on Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:53 am

LarryFlew wrote:BTW I believe it became part of law on July 1 of this year

No, it was referred to Judiciary a year ago and nothing has happened since. See the link above.
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby LarryFlew on Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:10 am

jshuberg wrote:
LarryFlew wrote:BTW I believe it became part of law on July 1 of this year

No, it was referred to Judiciary a year ago and nothing has happened since. See the link above.


I did and thanks. Had it confused with what has passed.
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby steve4102 on Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:37 pm

jshuberg wrote:This appears to be one of the tactics the anti-gun cultists are trying. Since they can't win a straight on attack, they're coming at us sideways. They're trying to make as many people ineligible as possible.

They're starting with criminals who currently can still possess firearms. The thinking is that we'll look bad defending the rights of scumbags to own guns. If it succeeds, they'll move on to people late on their taxes, or on their toll card, or have traffic violations, or who don't shovel their sidewalk on time, or who have ever seen a shrink, etc.

The theory is that everyone is potentially a law-breaker at some point in their lives. There are so many BS laws on the books, it's almost impossible to not break some obscure law at some point. By making a person ineligible to own firearms for lesser and lesser crimes, they effectively ban them from the majority of the population.


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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby jshuberg on Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:01 pm

Which makes absolutely no sense. A criminal can and should become a prohibited person if they commit a felony crime of violence, or use a firearm as a part of committing a non-felony crime.

To deprive a person of a fundamental right, when they have shown no inclination towards abusing that right is plainly unjust. Stripping a person of their rights is a punishment, and must be very carefully applied. Punishing someone for something that they might potentially do in the future, based on a completely unrelated act is an affront to our entire system of justice. A drunk driver isn't deprived the ability to use a computer, but someone found guilty of hacking is. By allowing the legislature to enact laws that deprive the people of their rights without due process, or for completely unrelated crimes, we have sacrificed our most sacred of human rights to the alter of gun control.

Regardless of where a person stands on the gun control issue, allowing the system to be abused this way is completely reprehensible to any standards of justice, and those that allowed it to happen should be ashamed of themselves.
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby LarryFlew on Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:59 pm

jshuberg wrote:
Regardless of where a person stands on the gun control issue, allowing the system to be abused this way is completely reprehensible to any standards of justice, and those that allowed it to happen should be ashamed of themselves.


now if we could get the media to understand how our loss of rights can lead to their loss of free speech....................
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby JeremiahMN on Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:14 am

MN Gun Talk members strongly support stalkers with guns! Check! :roll:
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby farmerj on Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:29 am

Mnguntalk members support due process....try to see the forest through the trees.
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby photogpat on Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:48 am

We shouldn't deprive people of any of their rights for a misdemeanor.

Either its felony level stalking in possession of a firearm and they get their day in court....or not. Get prosecutors to stop accepting plea bargains for domestic violence and stalking cases instead. Force these guys into felony level charges.

The idea that "taking away someone's guns" while they're awaiting trial is going to somehow protect women is asinine. If they're that big of a threat, deny bail and keep them in custody through trial.
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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

Postby jgalt on Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:32 am

photogpat wrote:The idea that "taking away someone's guns" while they're awaiting trial is going to somehow protect women is asinine. If they're that big of a threat, deny bail and keep them in custody through trial.


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Re: Klobuchars new Bill

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